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US measles epidemic.

ahhell said:
To be fair, he didn't start it, anti-vax has been a thing as long as there have been vaccinations. Mostly all the same rhetoric even. Wakefield just gave it some steriods. Somewhat ironically in that he did the thing a lot of anti-vaxers claim big pharma does by faking the whole autism link in order to sell his on vaccines.
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Not feeling fair concerning Andrew ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Wakefield.
 
catsmate said:
Actually, to be momentarily serious, about 1% of those infected had both recommended doses.
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Given vaccines are usually not 100% effective (about 93% for measles vaccine), a 1% infection rate is actually a very positive outcome.

But of course, for MAGA, if it isn't 100% then it must therefore be zero percent.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Given vaccines are usually not 100% effective (about 93% for measles vaccine), a 1% infection rate is actually a very positive outcome.

But of course, for MAGA, if it isn't 100% then it must therefore be zero percent.
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I'm most stunned that there are some Americans (according to repostings from social media) that believe that measles is like 'a mild cold'.
 
novaphile said:
I'm most stunned that there are some Americans (according to repostings from social media) that believe that measles is like 'a mild cold'.
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Yeah, it's so stunning that I have a hard time believing it's true.

On the other hand, it wouldn't stun me at all if most of Gen Z and Gen Alpha had no idea how bad measles is.

But it does intrigue me that anyone on this forum would cite "social media repostings" with anything other than derision normally accorded to National Enquirer headlines.
 
theprestige said:
Yeah, it's so stunning that I have a hard time believing it's true.

On the other hand, it wouldn't stun me at all if most of Gen Z and Gen Alpha had no idea how bad measles is.

But it does intrigue me that anyone on this forum would cite "social media repostings" with anything other than derision normally accorded to National Enquirer headlines.
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Here you go, here's a bit that's been collated by survey.
Republicans are far more skeptical of vaccines and twice as likely (1 in 5) as Democrats (1 in 10) to believe the measles shot is worse than the disease, according to the survey of 1,380 U.S. adults.
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www.news-medical.net

Measles misinformation is on the rise — and Americans are hearing it, survey finds

While the most serious measles epidemic in a decade has led to the deaths of two children and spread to 27 states with no signs of letting up, beliefs about the safety of the measles vaccine and the threat of the disease are sharply polarized, fed by the anti-vaccine views of the country's...
www.news-medical.net www.news-medical.net

20% of surveyed Republicans and
10% of surveyed Democrats

believe that the measles vaccine is worse than than the disease.


I'm stunned that either of those numbers is greater than 1%, in fact, I would have guessed that it would be 0.1%
 
novaphile said:
Here you go, here's a bit that's been collated by survey.


www.news-medical.net

Measles misinformation is on the rise — and Americans are hearing it, survey finds

While the most serious measles epidemic in a decade has led to the deaths of two children and spread to 27 states with no signs of letting up, beliefs about the safety of the measles vaccine and the threat of the disease are sharply polarized, fed by the anti-vaccine views of the country's...
www.news-medical.net www.news-medical.net

20% of surveyed Republicans and
10% of surveyed Democrats

believe that the measles vaccine is worse than than the disease.


I'm stunned that either of those numbers is greater than 1%, in fact, I would have guessed that it would be 0.1%
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Haha oh wow. An ad-driven social media presence that doesn't even link to the survey in question? Why are you even subscribed to these clowns?
 
theprestige said:
Haha oh wow. An ad-driven social media presence that doesn't even link to the survey in question? Why are you even subscribed to these clowns?
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???

Measles Misinformation Is on the Rise — And Americans Are Hearing It, Survey Finds - KFF Health News

Attitudes about a debunked link between measles vaccines and autism haven’t budged that much. But there’s a sharp partisan divide over whether the vaccine is safe.
kffhealthnews.org kffhealthnews.org

It was right there at the top of the page.

And I'm not subscribed to anything.

Are you OK?
 
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novaphile said:
I'm most stunned that there are some Americans (according to repostings from social media) that believe that measles is like 'a mild cold'.
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Don't know why, nobody in the US has had the measles in like 40 years. I have no idea how bad it is. That's one of the reasons anti-vax is sustainable, they are so effective we just don't remember how many kids died of diseases we now prevent.
 
ahhell said:
Don't know why, nobody in the US has had the measles in like 40 years. I have no idea how bad it is. That's one of the reasons anti-vax is sustainable, they are so effective we just don't remember how many kids died of diseases we now prevent.
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They are about to find out.

Then they will screech " Why weren't we told?!"

Followed by "Surely something can be done to stop this!"
 
Norman Alexander said:
They are about to find out.

Then they will screech " Why weren't we told?!"

Followed by "Surely something can be done to stop this!"
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About to???
They already are...
(funny how all the cases seem to be in 'red' states...)
:unsure:

And with RFK Jnr in charge- they won't be told (officially) and they sure as hell won't do anything about it...
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/...ths-and-hundreds-of-cases-heres-what-to-know/

Us Aussies are dumbfounded...
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...s/news-story/925ec8c49c2c7f8e22b48065ff72f1f8
 
ahhell said:
Don't know why, nobody in the US has had the measles in like 40 years. I have no idea how bad it is. That's one of the reasons anti-vax is sustainable, they are so effective we just don't remember how many kids died of diseases we now prevent.
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Not only in the US. There have been recent outbreaks in various European countries, mostly fuelled by anti vax propaganda and ignorance of the potential severe consequences of measles.
I've had several conversations with parents who clearly have no idea at all about the dangers, severity, or even the severe inconfort their children can be put through by contracting easily preventable diseases. The worst case was a lady who was totally ignorant of the risks and legality of tetanus …
 
Flo said:
Not only in the US. There have been recent outbreaks in various European countries, mostly fuelled by anti vax propaganda and ignorance of the potential severe consequences of measles.
I've had several conversations with parents who clearly have no idea at all about the dangers, severity, or even the severe inconfort their children can be put through by contracting easily preventable diseases. The worst case was a lady who was totally ignorant of the risks and legality of tetanus …
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Yes, RFK was basically bragging that the US was doing way better than Europe, neglecting to point out that the most serious outbreaks are in parts of Eastern Europe where anti-vaxx sentiment is rife.
 

US + Canada (!) measles epidemic​

Isaac Bogoch on X, May 7, 2025
The vast majority of people infected in the Ontario measles outbreak are unvaccinated.

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The vast majority of people infected in the Ontario measles outbreak are unvaccinated. Why is this so when you're required to be vaccinated to attend school? (Perplexity.ai)

Notice the relatively high percentage of breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated 20-to-39-year-olds.
I don't know what the cause it, but ...
COVID-19 leads to long-term changes in the immune system, study shows (NewsMedical, July 15, 2024)
For COVID-19 convalescent subjects, this means that their immune system may no longer be responding optimally to new challenges.
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There have been over a thousand measles cases in the current USAian outbreak.
 
Flo said:
I don't know for Canada but in France and Switzerland some physicians, mostly those sympathetic to homeopathy and other pseudo medicines, will sign false vaccination certificates.
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We have a major outbreak here in Ontario. Triggered by some people visiting from outside the province and a few pockets of the vaccinated. It appears that the government has been a bit lax in enforcing the requirement that a kid must be vaccinated to attend school (exemptions for the foolish and foolishly religious). Vaccine take up will probably finally put an end to the problem.

I have not heard reports of any homeoquacks being involved.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
We have a major outbreak here in Ontario. Triggered by some people visiting from outside the province and a few pockets of the vaccinated. It appears that the government has been a bit lax in enforcing the requirement that a kid must be vaccinated to attend school (exemptions for the foolish and foolishly religious). Vaccine take up will probably finally put an end to the problem.

I have not heard reports of any homeoquacks being involved.
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Damn Yanks spreading disease. Forcible vaccination at the border.


Anyway there are 1,277 confirmed cases in USAia, the worse outbreak in 33 years. Though those on the ground suggest the real prevalence if far higher, probably over ten thousand.
 
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