The Truth about RFK Jr

bruto said:
I've seen a fair amount of convincing evidence that HFCS is not very good for you, and that some sugars are better. But it's not poison either, and much of the problem is how and where and how extensively it's used, not just what it is.

I'm all for being opposed to eating stuff with HFCS, and preferring different sweeteners and less of them. But I do not see here a case for banning the stuff. And I certainly have yet to see a good answer to the question others have also asked, which seems to be dodged, of limiting the alternative to cane sugar, when there are beets and bees and maple trees.
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The very first place you can start with reducing HFCS is children's breakfast cereals in the USA. Dozens if not hundreds of different colours and flavours, but all full of and even coated in HFCS.
 
If "bad for you" is justification for attempting government action to end a product then perhaps tobacco just might be a higher priority target?
 
TragicMonkey said:
If "bad for you" is justification for attempting government action to end a product then perhaps tobacco just might be a higher priority target?
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The Australian gov’s action is to tax the hell out of tobacco.
A pack of 20 cigarettes will cost you, minimum, around AUD40.00 and 50g of “rolling” tobacco around AUD150.00
 
arthwollipot said:
The problem is not with HFCS itself. The problem is with American food manufacturers putting so much of it in food.
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The main issue is calories, and calories as sugars. Calories as complex carbohydrates (potatoes, pasta, polenta, porridge, anything beginning with p) are better. In general most people in the US need fewer calories in any form.
 
Planigale said:
The main issue is calories, and calories as sugars. Calories as complex carbohydrates (potatoes, pasta, polenta, porridge, anything beginning with p) are better. In general most people in the US need fewer calories in any form.
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It's nice to see complex carbohydrates not being demonised for a change. A lot of my cycling friends are on self-imposed "keto" diets which to me seems incompatible with medium to high intensity exercise for 3-6 hours. They seem to run out of energy comparatively early in rides and have to snivel home.

I, on the other hand, am very keen on carbohydrates before (complex), during (simple) and after (complex again) a ride. As long as I stay adequately caked I seem to do okay during a ride
 
The Don said:
It's nice to see complex carbohydrates not being demonised for a change. A lot of my cycling friends are on self-imposed "keto" diets which to me seems incompatible with medium to high intensity exercise for 3-6 hours. They seem to run out of energy comparatively early in rides and have to snivel home.

I, on the other hand, am very keen on carbohydrates before (complex), during (simple) and after (complex again) a ride. As long as I stay adequately caked I seem to do okay during a ride
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Has this changed, or are these just weekend warriors? I seem to recall that once upon a time at least, "carbo loading" was what a serious cyclist would do before an event, because as some diet guru once said, "fat burns in a carbohydrate flame."
 
bruto said:
Has this changed, or are these just weekend warriors? I seem to recall that once upon a time at least, "carbo loading" was what a serious cyclist would do before an event, because as some diet guru once said, "fat burns in a carbohydrate flame."
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Weekend warriors only. Thank you for even considering this idea that I might be riding with serious cyclists.

Professional cyclists with professional nutritionists are scarfing down 100g+ of carbohydrates an hour (and possibly setting off a metabolic time bomb for later).

My piece of cake may not be the best nutritional option but their plate of eggs, bacon, sausage and black pudding sitting in a nice pool of grease with no toast to blott it up would make me very queasy mid ride (even if I wasn't vegetarian).
 
Chris_Halkides said:
My friend, You probably already know that anti-vaxxers are found on either end of the political spectrum: "Essentially, it doesn’t matter if you are conservative or liberal; the more political someone is, the more likely he or she is to think that vaccines are unsafe." The Conversation in 2017. This is a good article about the sociology of vaccines.
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Your article is from 2017, and that is no longer true. The pandemic (and probably Trump, Fox, QAnon, MAGA and other conspiracy nuts) changed that:
Attitudes towards COVID-19 vaccines may have “spilled over” to other, unrelated vaccines along party lines in the United States (Misinformation Review, Harvard Kennedy School, June 20, 2024)
After the pandemic, conservatives in the United States held substantially more negative attitudes toward a variety of vaccines compared to liberals.
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See figure 1, Negative vaccine attitudes. The difference between conservatives and liberals is considerable.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Even if you didn't, American food manufacturers put loads of sugar (in whatever form) into their products because sugar tastes good and keeps the consumers coming back for more.
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Apart from the obvious ones like jams and cereal, US peanut butter/paste, and tomato-based sauces also have lots of corn syrup added. And salt.
 
JayUtah said:
Just like the infamous study that showed ice cream "causes" polio.
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There was a study I saw years ago that claimed to show that using an electric razor caused leukemia, except the way they presented their data, it actually indicated that leukemia caused electric razor use.
(It showed the rate of electric razor use among leukemia patients, not the rate of leukemia among electric razor users.)
 
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