Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Rolfe]

Make all bathrooms gender neutral. Anything else is like racial segregation.

This is the fringe reset that swallowed Saturn. I'm going to sleep.

 

[d4m10n]

I've heard it argued Barack Obama is white because he was raised white.

I've read one or two of his memoirs and (IIRC) he struggled with a sort of duality of identity, being perceived as African American while being raised by white ancestors in a multiracial environment. It would be overly simplistic for any one group to exclusively claim him, IMO.

 

[Mycroft]

And they (Antifa as well as the extreme trans activists we're making an analogy to here) know it too. Which makes me wonder what their actual motives are.

I've had similar thoughts about Antifa.

There are so many jaw-dropping extremist believes it's hard to believe they are sincerely held, but I think in most cases they are.

 

[smartcooky]

Make all bathrooms gender neutral then everyone has a place to go to the bathroom.

Any problems with that?

Yup... and you will be labelled "bigot" and "transphobe" by the very people who are the objects of your sycophancy... TRAs absolutely reject the idea of gender neutral bathrooms because they will be unable to guarantee getting their jollies by invading women's safe spaces.

 

[Ziggurat]

Or you should get the point. I won't be surprised when this is raised again, and you defend it again.

The point was never that trans people are bad. The point is that transwomen are men, and transmen are women. The reasons we have sex segregation still apply to them. Most men aren't sexual predators, but some are, and that's part of why we segregate spaces like bathrooms. Not once have you actually attempted an argument for why transwomen should be exempt from this. Certainly it cannot be because they can't pose a threat like other men can. The grove of cherries proves otherwise.

 

[Mycroft]

Every time someone tries to equate sex and race like this, I know they've lost. It's an intellectually dishonest argument, an attempt to borrow the moral standing of a different cause without earning it.

An argument you can't deal with is labeled intellectually dishonest. You lose.

 

[Mycroft]

Yup... and you will be labelled "bigot" and "transphobe" by the very people who are the objects of your sycophancy... TRAs absolutely reject the idea of gender neutral bathrooms because they will be unable to guarantee getting their jollies by invading women's safe spaces.

Dude, can't you see the hate in that? It came from you, can't you feel the hate?

 

[Ziggurat]

An argument you can't deal with is labeled intellectually dishonest. You lose.

It has already been dealt with multiple times. Your fringe reset is quite tiresome.

 

[d4m10n]

An argument you can't deal with is labeled intellectually dishonest.

Any argument that swaps the oppressor group for the oppressed group is mistaken if not dishonest.

If you want to compare like for like, pick an example where the oppressed group is asking for separate facilities such as racial affinity campus housing.

 

[Mycroft]

The point was never that trans people are bad. The point is that transwomen are men, and transmen are women. The reasons we have sex segregation still apply to them. Most men aren't sexual predators, but some are, and that's part of why we segregate spaces like bathrooms. Not once have you actually attempted an argument for why transwomen should be exempt from this. Certainly it cannot be because they can't pose a threat like other men can. The grove of cherries proves otherwise.

Again, should all trans-people be judged by the heinous actions of the worst of them? Why or why not?

A South American immigrant killed a white girl. Therefore we shouldn't have immigrants from South America. Statistics don't matter because if we didn't have immigrants from South America, that white girl would still be alive.

 

[Ziggurat]

Dude, can't you see the hate in that? It came from you, can't you feel the hate?

You do realize that Trans Rights Activist (TRA) doesn't mean a trans person, right? Most TRAs aren't even trans, and a lot of trans people aren't TRAs. I'm pretty sure you've expressed at least as much hate towards your political opponents as is in that post.

 

[Mycroft]

Any argument that swaps the oppressor group for the oppressed group is mistaken if not dishonest.

If you want to compare like for like, pick an example where the oppressed group is asking for separate facilities such as racial affinity campus housing.

I don't think trans-people are an oppressor group.

I know you're going to say men are the oppressor group, but we're not talking about all men, we're just talking about trans-people.

 

[Ziggurat]

Again, should all trans-people be judged by the heinous actions of the worst of them? Why or why not?

Transwomen should be judged the same way men are judged. Because they are men.

Your argument is an argument against any sex segregation, it isn't an argument for trans people to be able to circumvent that segregation.

 

[Mycroft]

It's the same with the autogynaephilia issue, which is really at the heart of all this. The pro-trans posters don't like it because it shines a light on the true motivations behind their darlings' protestations about having been born in the wrong body and having lady brains. So they just mock and dismiss the entire concept.

Literally moving on to thought-crimes.

Or back to thought-crimes. This had been banished for a dozen pages or more, for good reason.

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't think trans-people are an oppressor group.

Is Bryson an oppressor or is he oppressed?

And before you try the crap you just tried, I'm not talking about transwomen as a whole. I'm only talking about Bryson, no one else. Just him. How do we describe him and only him.

 

[smartcooky]

You do realize that Trans Rights Activist (TRA) doesn't mean a trans person, right? Most TRAs aren't even trans, and a lot of trans people aren't TRAs. I'm pretty sure you've expressed at least as much hate towards your political opponents as is in that post.

Ninja'd

I do not hate trans-gender people, but I despise transgender activists. The problem with some posters is they fail to understand there is a big, big difference.

 

[Mycroft]

Transwomen should be judged the same way men are judged. Because they are men.

If so then raising the issue of a particularly heinous trans-person is irrelevant and hateful hysteria.

Why do you keep doing it?

 

[Mycroft]

Is Bryson an oppressor or is he oppressed?

And before you try the crap you just tried, I'm not talking about transwomen as a whole. I'm only talking about Bryson, no one else. Just him. How do we describe him and only him.

That's a juicy cherry you got there.

 

[Ziggurat]

That's a juicy cherry you got there.

It's a case study. So answer the damn question.

It seems like you cannot handle real world situations, only hypotheticals.

 

[Mycroft]

You are trying to apply mathematical precision to a loose social construct. That doesn't make sense at any level. "Live as a female" is close enough for an English speaker. I have no need to break our an electron microscope to rigorously define where the precise point is where someone qualifies as "living as a female".

If you can't define exactly where orange becomes yellow on a colour wheel, the very concepts of orange and yellow are invalidated.

There is no orange or yellow.