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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Rolfe said:
You are certainly not treating people who disagree with you with kindness and humanity. The sheer nastiness of many of your posts is quite remarkable. Unless of course we don't count as "people" to you.
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One can treat people with kindness and humanity while simultaneously identifying their prejudices. These are not mutually exclusive, even if your feelings are hurt.
 
smartcooky said:
And how does this apply to those transwomen who have undertaken no physical transitioning of any kind or have made no attempt to do so. or have merely Self ID'd by saying the magic words?
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I don't see any reason to limit discussion of transwomen to this specific subset. Do you?

smartcooky said:
Unfortunate, but please explain why any of this is a problem that women have to solve? Why should women have to sacrifice their safe spaces to accommodate a few delusional males?
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Does letting a transwoman pee in a stall equate to sacrificing safe space? I don't think it does.
 
Aber said:
Same thing
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Nope. It's what the argument is about. More than 150 pages in this tread alone, and this thread is number 15?

Stating your opinion as a conclusion...there is a term for that. Do you remember what it is?
 
Mycroft said:
Also intersex.
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Intersex has nothing to so with the transgender debate

Mycroft said:
Because it doesn't serve your agenda?
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No, because it has nothing to so with this debate

Mycroft said:
I can't think of any good reason not to include other cultures, can you?
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I can. Its nothing to do with the debate HERE. If you want to talk about transgenderism in India, go make a thread about it. Anyone who is interested can join you.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't see any reason to limit discussion of transwomen to this specific subset. Do you?

Does letting a transwoman pee in a stall equate to sacrificing safe space? I don't think it does.
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This is becoming tiresome. You are simply ignoring those things that you don't have answers for.
 
smartcooky said:
Intersex has nothing to so with the transgender debate
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If part of your argument involves declaring sex as binary, then yes it does.
smartcooky said:
No, because it has nothing to so with this debate


I can. Its nothing to do with the debate HERE. If you want to talk about transgenderism in India, go make a thread about it. Anyone who is interested can join you.
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Isn't this the international skeptic's forum?

There are other cultures which don't see sex or gender as a binary. Their points of view are just as valid as yours.
 
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smartcooky said:
This is becoming tiresome. You are simply ignoring those things that you don't have answers for.
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It is tiresome to constantly remind people that men does not equal transwomen, and that the meaning of words is ultimately what the argument is about.

Page after page after page goes by and I still see the word "men" used where it should be "transwomen".

I'll keep correcting it. I have a lot of patience.
 
Mycroft said:
Does letting a transwoman pee in a stall equate to sacrificing safe space? I don't think it does.
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Then you think telepathy does exist?

You clearly haven't seen any of the videos men have proudly posted of themselves violating female safe spaces where it is now legal for them to do so, showing off the erection it's giving them.

I know (decent) men are nowhere near as aware as women are of just how many men will happily take advantage of any opportunity to treat them as sexual objects, but to deny such men even exist shows a staggering lack of awareness. Not to mention empathy and kindness.
 
Aber said:
WHY do you believe this?
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Because my personal experiences with the Trans-community have led me to conclude that being trans is something more profound that the dismissive "cosplay" or "larping" that it's described here. Just like being gay was 50 years ago, I don't think anyone lives that experience unless it's core to their identity.
 
Mycroft said:
Because my personal experiences with the Trans-community have led me to conclude that being trans is something more profound that the dismissive "cosplay" or "larping" that it's described here. Just like being gay was 50 years ago, I don't think anyone lives that experience unless it's core to their identity.
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Still doesn't mean that they change sex.

And again back to anecdotes about your experience, rather than engaging with evidence.
 
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Pixel42 said:
Then you think telepathy does exist?
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Explain?

Pixel42 said:
You clearly haven't seen any of the videos men have proudly posted of themselves violating female safe spaces where it is now legal for them to do so, showing off the erection it's giving them.
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Were they showing off these erections to cis-women in the bathroom? Or were they taking selfies when they were the only person's there?
 
Aber said:
Still doesn't mean that they change sex.

And again back to anecdotes about your experience, rather than engaging with evidence.
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That a distinction is made between sex and gender at all is because sex alone doesn't describe the full human experience, that we also need to have gender to describe a person's self-representation and their relationship to the world as a whole.
 
Rolfe said:
Back to your implied point. How is anyone else supposed to know whether any particular man in the Ladies room has had genital surgery or not? Dressed, they look exactly like any other man in similar clothes.

Men can't tell either.
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Similar clothes means women's clothes. Transwomen wear women's clothes.
 
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