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Trump's Second Term

Hercules56 said:
USA wants Ukraine to recognize Russian control of Crimea. Ukraine says no, meanwhile Russia want Ukraine to recognize Donbas as part of Russia.

I say Ukraine should accept losing Crimea, which puts the ball in Russia's court, who will obviously refuse. Then Ukraine looks like they are willing to make sacrifices for a ceasefire, and Russia just wants to make demands. There will be no ceasefire but Ukraine still remains in America's favorite meanwhile Russia looks like the bad guy.
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I say that's complete bull ◊◊◊◊ and I would encourage Ukraine to do nothing of the sort.

Russia has been, and will continue to be, the bad guy. Ukraine isn't going to look like the bad guy for not giving up its sovereign borders unless the person with that view has a completely distorted world view. Ukraine should do exactly what Ukraine is planning to do, keep fighting. The only difference is they'll soon depend on the EU with broad NATO support, sans the US.

That's their country, they have every right to kill every mother ◊◊◊◊◊◊ from Russia that steps foot in their land.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Clapping for Trump can be overridden by bad publicity against Trump. Hegseth has crossed that line.
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Maybe but it boggles my mind then what is supposed to be “bad publicity”. Trump has tanked the stock market, ignored the courts while shipping people off to a dungeon in a banana republic without due process, in fact he’s single handedly turning the US into a banana republic. There are daily outrages from people all through the administration, etc… any of those things could be considered bad publicity in a sane world, yet the clown car rumbles on.
 
Hercules56 said:
USA wants Ukraine to recognize Russian control of Crimea. Ukraine says no, meanwhile Russia want Ukraine to recognize Donbas as part of Russia.

I say Ukraine should accept losing Crimea, which puts the ball in Russia's court, who will obviously refuse. Then Ukraine looks like they are willing to make sacrifices for a ceasefire, and Russia just wants to make demands. There will be no ceasefire but Ukraine still remains in America's favorite meanwhile Russia looks like the bad guy.
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Hey Hercules, don’t know if you have been reading the news over the last three or four years but Russia invaded Ukraine! That’s after they initially seized Crimea and parts of the Donbas. That makes them the bad guys. Giving up Crimea isn’t going to suddenly make Putin grow a conscience meaning that giving it up is only going to persuade people who already are not paying attention.

You make concessions only when something else is on offer.
 
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I agree with the people in Massapequa, Long Island, who are fighting furiously to keep the Massapequa Chiefs logo on their Teams and School. Forcing them to change the name, after all of these years, is ridiculous and, in actuality, an affront to our great Indian population.
The School Board, and virtually everyone in the area, are demanding the name be kept. It has become the School's identity and, what could be wrong with using the name, "Chief"? I don't see the Kansas City Chiefs changing their name anytime soon!
By copy of this TRUTH, I am asking my highly capable Secretary of Education, Linda McMahon, to fight for the people of Massapequa on this very important issue. LONG LIVE THE MASSAPEQUA CHIEFS!
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Andy_Ross said:
It's not Hegseth that's the problem. It's all the Pentagon working against him and Donald.

Leavitt: "The president stands strongly behind Secretary Hegseth ... this is what happens when the entire Pentagon is working against you and working against the monumental change you are trying to implement. Secretary Hegseth was nominated because he's standing up for the warfighters."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914322953765867689
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Trump says he supports Hegseth? Then Heggy is toast. Any moment now...
 
angrysoba said:
Maybe but it boggles my mind then what is supposed to be “bad publicity”. Trump has tanked the stock market, ignored the courts while shipping people off to a dungeon in a banana republic without due process, in fact he’s single handedly turning the US into a banana republic. There are daily outrages from people all through the administration, etc… any of those things could be considered bad publicity in a sane world, yet the clown car rumbles on.
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Yeah, Obama went on a rant last week about what would ve hahappened if he did any of those things, but the reallity is that anyone would get roasted for this ◊◊◊◊, but somehow Trump gets a break because . . . well, I dunno.
 
angrysoba said:
Hey Hercules, don’t know if you have been reading the news over the last three or four years but Russia invaded Ukraine! That’s after they initially seized Crimea and parts of the Donbas. That makes them the bad guys. Giving up Crimea isn’t going to suddenly make Putin grow a conscience meaning that giving it up is only going to persuade people who already are not paying attention.

You make concessions only when something else is on offer.
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You're not getting me. Ukraine will "say" they accept losing Crimea, cuz that puts the ball in Russia's court to accept a cease fire. Which they will not do unless Ukraine also gives up the three provinces Russia claims to be now theirs.

The result? No ceasefire, Ukraine gives up nothing, but Russia looks like the stick in the mud unwilling to even have a ceasefire. That way Ukraine still looks like the good guy, willing to compromise, deserving of USA military help.

Its a strategy.
 
Hercules56 said:
You're not getting me. Ukraine will "say" they accept losing Crimea, cuz that puts the ball in Russia's court to accept a cease fire. Which they will not do unless Ukraine also gives up the three provinces Russia claims to be now theirs.

The result? No ceasefire, Ukraine gives up nothing, but Russia looks like the stick in the mud unwilling to even have a ceasefire. That way Ukraine still looks like the good guy, willing to compromise, deserving of USA military help.

Its a strategy.
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It's a stupid strategy. What happens if Russia just says "Ok, we'll take that", does and then just turns around and starts killing them again in 6 months or a year?

I seriously hope no one in the Ukrainian military thinks that would be a good idea.
 
plague311 said:
It's a stupid strategy. What happens if Russia just says "Ok, we'll take that", does and then just turns around and starts killing them again in 6 months or a year?

I seriously hope no one in the Ukrainian military thinks that would be a good idea.
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They should be willing to give up land that they will NOT be able to win back, in exchange for military defense treaties with the EU and USA.
 
angrysoba said:
Maybe but it boggles my mind then what is supposed to be “bad publicity”. Trump has tanked the stock market, ignored the courts while shipping people off to a dungeon in a banana republic without due process, in fact he’s single handedly turning the US into a banana republic. There are daily outrages from people all through the administration, etc… any of those things could be considered bad publicity in a sane world, yet the clown car rumbles on.
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If he makes Trump look stupid, I guess.
 
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