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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Rolfe said:
I've had it with him. The posts he put up while I was out at the Film Society show such a profound ignorance of the issues combined with a fixed refusal to consider anybody else's perspective but his own (and that of the fictitious "sincere trans" person he wants the world to be remade around) that it just isn't worth engaging with these posts any more.
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And I've had it with you not having the integrity to acknowledge the half assed bigoted lies from twitter you keep posting. The last one with the list of names is particularly disgraceful, and might even be a crime in this country. You can't lie about people like that, and you shouldn't be helping to spread those lies. Your fig leaf has fallen. You have no noble arguments here.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I physically cringe at that term. It makes my skin crawl, it's so incredibly degrading.
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And that is exactly why we should expose it to the light of day, so that people know the sort of disgusting perverts we're dealing with here.

There was actually an NHS guidance sheet about inclusive terminology that dictated that the word "vagina" correctly referred only to the surgically-created rot-pockets of post-op trans-identifying men, and the correct term for an actual vagina, that thick-walled muscular organ that does so much during sex then dilates and helps deliver an actual baby into the world, is "bonus hole". I think this needs wider publicity.
 
Emily's Cat said:
They sincerely *identify* as a race that they objectively are not.

Transgender identified males don't actively believe they're females. They wish that they were females, and they desire that other people would perceive them as being female even though they aren't. They *identify* as female.

It's 100% the case with trans people.
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And they statistically don;t exist. There's like a half dozen, most of whom could literally be claimed to be ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. Dozelal even asked a roomate once not to 'blow her cover', which is openly admitting to it being a deliberate ruse.
 
Rolfe said:
It's not giving me an error message. I get a page about gender neutral bathrooms.
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Hm. On chromebook, its a 403 error forbidden page. I checked on android phone, and sure enough, its a... Unitarian Universalist website? Did they run the Skepticon thing that d4m1on was talking about or something?
 
Emily's Cat said:
I get that you're getting less comfortable about restrooms being sex-segregated. Let me give you a scenario, and let me know if it alters your view.

Venue: Dance club, where lots of people are drinking. Bob the Male decides that Betty the Female is super hot, and Bob wants to hit that. So naturally, Bob starts flirting with Betty, dancing near Betty, etc. Betty on the other hand, isn't interested in Bob. Betty moves away from Bob on the dance floor, but Bob keeps following and trying to dance with Betty. Eventually, Betty leaves the dance floor and heads back to a table. Bob follows Betty over and continues trying to talk with Betty and interact. Bob's had a few, so Bob's being a bit pushy and is definitely NOT taking the hint. Bob, in their inebriated and horny state, mistakes Betty's politeness for a come-on.

For all of my life, the female restroom has been the only place that Betty can go to actually get away from Bob for a bit. It's an escape that many females use in many packed-venue social situations, especially ones where alcohol and horniness are present.

If you remove the sex-segregation from restrooms... what is your proposal for how Betty can get away from Bob's persistent pestering?
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...doesn't that solve itself? Bob comes in the women's room. "Oh, you're a woman? I'm not into women pal, hit the pike." If he persists in any way, or denies he is a woman, call for the bouncer and police, there's a self-admitted predator in the women's room.

If he didn't come in, but was willing to follow you around all night, he'll still be there to harrass you, but you don't have your guaranteed bounce card.

eta: changed my mind, point taken.
 
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Thermal said:
...doesn't that solve itself? Bob comes in the women's room.
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You missed the point entirely, which is that a communal space served an important purpose here, which your single occupancy solution would not have allowed for.
 
Thermal said:
And they statistically don;t exist. There's like a half dozen, most of whom could literally be claimed to be ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. Dozelal even asked a roomate once not to 'blow her cover', which is openly admitting to it being a deliberate ruse.
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Because again, no one affirmed her delusion. If no one affirmed trans peoples' delusions, they would probably talk the same way too.
 
Ziggurat said:
You missed the point entirely,
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No, I followed it through instead of stopping where rhetorically convenient.
Ziggurat said:
which is that a communal space served an important purpose here, which your single occupancy solution would not have allowed for.
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And it always has been a refuge, primarily for women to talk about their dates or guys they just met. But she seemed to have abandoned the unisex restroom, focusing on a women's room that man could 'selfID' into.

But yeah, that's a social situation where a retreat area has long been customary, and would probably make sense to retain.
 
Hate won out. Not the first time. Won't be the last. After all, lots of voters in the US voted in racists throughout the South and for President. We saw the Xenophobes in the UK vote against Brexit. How'd that work out?
 
Ziggurat said:
Because again, no one affirmed her delusion. If no one affirmed trans peoples' delusions, they would probably talk the same way too.
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We've studied transwomen, and found them to have brain activity that resembles that of women. We don't have transracial patterns to compare, because they kinda don't exist.
 
acbytesla said:
Hate won out. Not the first time. Won't be the last. After all, lots of voters in the US voted in racists throughout the South and for President. We saw the Xenophobes in the UK vote against Brexit. How'd that work out?
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Do you even know how the UK justice system works? Why are you talking about voting?
 
lionking said:
Do you even know how the UK justice system works? Why are you talking about voting?
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No, I get it. The courts made the ruling. This is what happens when they put their finger in the air to determine the direction of the wind.
 
Thermal said:
We've studied transwomen, and found them to have brain activity that resembles that of women.
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No, we have not. We have found that gay men, transwomen attracted to men, and heterosexual women have brain activity in common. Studies which did not control for sexuality were mistaken in their conclusions.
 
Thermal said:
No, I followed it through instead of stopping where rhetorically convenient.
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You didn't follow anything through. You simply ignored the point which YOU didn't find convenient.
Thermal said:
But yeah, that's a social situation where a retreat area has long been customary, and would probably make sense to retain.
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But you don't want to retain it. You want to abandon it in favor of unisex or single occupancy spaces.
 
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