Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

[AnimalFriendly]

You're the one claiming that Guede is this super capable spiderman being who managed to not leave any forensic evidence of himself in Filomena's room yet managed to leave plenty in the murder room, as well as his shoe prints in the hallway. A young woman attacked by an assailant with two different knives without any defence marks at all apart from a couple of minor ones had obviously had her arms inactivated and, in Mez' case, her arms were wrenched up behind her back (as the horrible bruising on Mez' shoulder and elbows show in the pathology report). And who is going to cover the body with a duvet except the person who stays behind to clean up, so as not to see the staring eyes of the deceased?

Guede wasn't wearing gloves in the murder room.

As for defence marks, after Kercher was stabbed the first time, she wouldn't have required much restraint IMO.

As for the duvet, so only one person stayed behind to clean up? Was this the same person who cleaned up by leaving the bloody bathmat on the bathroom floor?

 

[ahhell]

Moderately amused that there is a Knox truther out there. I'm sure there's actually plenty but still, why? Unless you're someone with a vested interest, like an Italian prosecture or policemen, why?

 

[Vixen]

Here's the view of the cottage. Filomena's window can clearly be seen from the road by oncoming traffic.




Source: https://www.themurderofmeredithkercher.net/docupl/filelibrary/images/perugia/cottage/cottage-012.jpg

 

[Vixen]

The throw would have been made from the high parapet opposite the window and that side of the cottage, so there was no need to throw the rock upward.

The rock thrown through the window would have propelled glass shards and fragments generally in the direction of motion, that is, toward the room. If one is familiar with certain real actions in the real world, one would know that, for example, if a moving ball hits a stationary ball dead center and without spin (as in certain bowling games or pool/billiards), the moving ball imparts motion to the stationary ball in the direction the first ball was traveling (the direction may deviate at an angle to the moving ball's direction if the contact is off the line of centers or if the moving ball is spinning). Similarly, the glass impacted by the thrown rock will not simply fall on the sill, the fragments will fly toward the interior of the room until the forces of gravity and air resistance cause the fragments to fall. Depending on the properties of the window glass, there will be secondary fractures that grow from the impacted area that may lead to additional glass fragments detaching from the window that may fall near the window. Some of the fractured glass may remain attached to the window frame. The burglar (who presumably knows what he is doing) most likely will be wearing protective gloves, may be equipped with a glass cutter or small hammer, and will dislodge the glass remaining in the window frame to prevent injury to himself and allow entry by unlatching and opening the wooden frame of the window.

The amateur climber in the video easily descends from the parapet, holding onto its top surface during his descent to prevent falling. It climbing up to the upper window, the climber uses the top of the bottom window casement as a foot-hold so that he is not lifting himself only on the strength of his arms. The rough surface of the cottage wall also provides for the climber to use his feet for support.

You omitted to mention the shutters, which of course would change the trajectory and force of the impact, and as I recall, glass was mostly inside the room. So now 'drifter' Guede is a master strategist, who's come equipped with 'burglars gloves' (how do slip-slidey gloves help in climbing a sheer wall?). In fact the height was greater than the 'three and a half metres', as claimed by the narrator in the video, it was something like 12'3", as I recall, from calculations at the time. That's a whole extra metre (3'). Why did Guede not just bring a ladder, given he was familiar with the building structure?

The difficulty you have is that even if he had found a loose small boulder and managed to smash the window first time, there is still the problem to overcome of getting into Filomena's room. The position of the hole in the window presented a further difficulty for anyone trying to access the building at that point, because the latch shutting the two windows together was much higher up and at the centre. So anyone reaching through the hole would experience enormous difficulty even reaching it to undo it. They would literally have to squeeze through a dangerous hole with spiky shards of glass.

Truth is, Sollecito picked up a rock from outside - having had the bright idea to stage a burglary - he notes in his book he read of a murder in which the husband did just that - and smashed the window in Filomena's room from standing at its door. The rock was found rolled by a chair.


And indeed, on ringing the police after the postal police arrived to return a phone, Sollecito told the operator 'nothing has been stolen'.


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[Vixen]

Did you even watch the video?? First, taking one of your silly assertions from a previous post, at about the 0:45 mark, you can see the guy is wearing "slip-slidey trainers."

Second, they asked him if, in his opinion, one would need to be an experienced climber, and he said no, someone like Guede could have done it.

Third, no one was ready to catch him; the observers and the person recording were all standing well away from the window.

Finally, gloves and long sleeves would have reasonably protected Guede from any glass left on the sill, and he wouldn't have placed his neck on it.

It's a shame they had to heavily edit the video so that we couldn't see him:

• jump over the car park railings nine feet to the ground without hurting himself (strange, the video cuts off that bit)
• see how he got onto the window sill in one movement instead of several unconnected clips.
• an experienced 'climbing enthusiast' as he self-describes himself, might know how to throw himself up with a few leaps but it is not something that most people could achieve without practice.
• We clearly see him clutching onto the bars, but Guede would not have had any bars to grab, as they were only installed in 2009.
• After the murder there were actually two burglaries and both entered via the other side of the building where it is ten times easier for an intruder (privacy, low height, easy climb).

The fact the defence had to heavily doctor the video to make the climb of a sheer 12' wall actually underlines that there was nothing 'easy' about it at all, plus they lobbed a metre off its true height.



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[Vixen]

Guede wasn't wearing gloves in the murder room.

As for defence marks, after Kercher was stabbed the first time, she wouldn't have required much restraint IMO.

As for the duvet, so only one person stayed behind to clean up? Was this the same person who cleaned up by leaving the bloody bathmat on the bathroom floor?

Absolute nonsense. A reflex response to someone coming at you with a knife is to grab it to prevent further attack. (And the pathologist reports shows such an initial nick to her hand). There was a story in my local paper yesterday about a man who attacked another with a knife. The victim managed to escape because someone alighting from a bus at that point was able to call for an ambulance. The guy survived but he lost a couple of fingers. The fact Mez had no similar defence wounds despite being 'teased' with a knife - there are up to 47 knife flicks on her body - so it is clear whoever it was was hazing her for sport. We know that Knox once hazed a friend by donning a ski mask to frighten the hell out of her and ransacked her room to make it look like she had been burgled. Bullying was Knox' idea of a 'prank'!

Given Sollecito's love of knives...

So the killers' motives weren't burglary - as nothing was stolen, including Filomena's jewellery and three laptops - except personal belongs of Mez', indicating the attack was personal, with Mez' rent money stolen (whilst Knox had an equivalent sum found stashed in her room) plus her two mobile phones. How would a random burglar know Mez had two phones? One on her person, in case her mother was taken ill, and the other was in her bag (from which someone knew to steal it).

The person who left the footprint on the bathmat (size 42 with a hammer toe) didn't realise it could be identified by forensic police.

I read in early reports, apart from the washing machine just finishing when cops arrived (but who was doing the laundry whilst Mez lay dead?), Sollecito - or was it Knox - had been searching the word 'bleach' on the internet. Neither of these two factoids were entered into evidence but were reported at the time.


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[AnimalFriendly]

Absolute nonsense. A reflex response to someone coming at you with a knife is to grab it to prevent further attack. (And the pathologist reports shows such an initial nick to her hand). There was a story in my local paper yesterday about a man who attacked another with a knife. The victim managed to escape because someone alighting from a bus at that point was able to call for an ambulance. The guy survived but he lost a couple of fingers. The fact Mez had no similar defence wounds despite being 'teased' with a knife - there are up to 47 knife flicks on her body - so it is clear whoever it was was hazing her for sport. We know that Knox once hazed a friend by donning a ski mask to frighten the hell out of her and ransacked her room to make it look like she had been burgled. Bullying was Knox' idea of a 'prank'!

Given Sollecito's love of knives...

So the killers' motives weren't burglary - as nothing was stolen, including Filomena's jewellery and three laptops - except personal belongs of Mez', indicating the attack was personal, with Mez' rent money stolen (whilst Knox had an equivalent sum found stashed in her room) plus her two mobile phones. How would a random burglar know Mez had two phones? One on her person, in case her mother was taken ill, and the other was in her bag (from which someone knew to steal it).

The person who left the footprint on the bathmat (size 42 with a hammer toe) didn't realise it could be identified by forensic police.

I read in early reports, apart from the washing machine just finishing when cops arrived (but who was doing the laundry whilst Mez lay dead?), Sollecito - or was it Knox - had been searching the word 'bleach' on the internet. Neither of these two factoids were entered into evidence but were reported at the time.


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Yes, your 1st paragraph is absolute nonsense. As for grabbing a knife, not if you're already incapacitated by a soon to be fatal neck wound.

A lot of people love knives. Guede clearly did.

A "personal" attack wouldn't preclude a would-be burglar, Guede's original motive, from rummaging through a purse. Viola! A cellphone!

As for the footprint, what a ridiculous attempt to justify leaving a bathmat with blood on it lying there. When it could easily have been removed. Blood. It had blood on it. Clear now?

 

[Vixen]

Re the height of Filomena's window from the ground. It was 3.78m up to the bottom window sill only, which translates as 12' 5".



You can also see it is not squarely above the lower window, either.


The window as of Nov 2 2007



Source: https://themurderofmeredithkercher.net/l-Key documents.html

No bars to cling on to.

Note the glass inside the shutters.





And here's the offending rock. Would a burglar really use something as unwieldy as this?

 

[Numbers]

You omitted to mention the shutters, which of course would change the trajectory and force of the impact, and as I recall, glass was mostly inside the room. So now 'drifter' Guede is a master strategist, who's come equipped with 'burglars gloves' (how do slip-slidey gloves help in climbing a sheer wall?). In fact the height was greater than the 'three and a half metres', as claimed by the narrator in the video, it was something like 12'3", as I recall, from calculations at the time. That's a whole extra metre (3'). Why did Guede not just bring a ladder, given he was familiar with the building structure?

The difficulty you have is that even if he had found a loose small boulder and managed to smash the window first time, there is still the problem to overcome of getting into Filomena's room. The position of the hole in the window presented a further difficulty for anyone trying to access the building at that point, because the latch shutting the two windows together was much higher up and at the centre. So anyone reaching through the hole would experience enormous difficulty even reaching it to undo it. They would literally have to squeeze through a dangerous hole with spiky shards of glass.

Truth is, Sollecito picked up a rock from outside - having had the bright idea to stage a burglary - he notes in his book he read of a murder in which the husband did just that - and smashed the window in Filomena's room from standing at its door. The rock was found rolled by a chair.


And indeed, on ringing the police after the postal police arrived to return a phone, Sollecito told the operator 'nothing has been stolen'.


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I won't deal with all the nonsense in your post. But, I will take a moment to point out some problems with your conversion factor* (metres to feet) or calculation.

One (1) metre = 3.28 feet so 3.5 metres = 11.48 feet (about 11 and 1/2 feet). On the other hand, 12.3 feet = 3.75 metres. So the difference in the two estimated measurements is only about 0.25 metre (that is, 1/4 metre), not, as you falsely state, "a whole extra metre" (1 metre).

* See, for example:

Meter to Feet and Inches conversion: meter to ft in calculator

Meters to Feet and Inches (m to ft in) conversion calculator for Length conversions with additional tables and formulas.

www.metric-conversions.org

1 meter = 3.28084 (to five decimal places)
US spelling of metre is frequently "meter".

 

[Vixen]

I won't deal with all the nonsense in your post. But, I will take a moment to point out some problems with your conversion factor* (metres to feet) or calculation.

One (1) metre = 3.28 feet so 3.5 metres = 11.48 feet (about 11 and 1/2 feet). On the other hand, 12.3 feet = 3.75 metres. So the difference in the two estimated measurements is only about 0.25 metre (that is, 1/4 metre), not, as you falsely state, "a whole extra metre" (1 metre).

* See, for example:

Meter to Feet and Inches conversion: meter to ft in calculator

Meters to Feet and Inches (m to ft in) conversion calculator for Length conversions with additional tables and formulas.

www.metric-conversions.org

1 meter = 3.28084 (to five decimal places)
US spelling of metre is frequently "meter".

Not really because the guy says 'the window is three point five metres above the ground' but he doesn't make clear that the very bottom of the window is actually closer to four metres (3.78m according to the scientific police photo I posted). This converts to 12.40157 feet.

0.40157 converts to 5" rounded, = 12'5". This is almost a foot higher than 11'6". If the narrator wants people to think he is taking the centre point of the window as the '3.5m above the ground' then he has lobbed off a metre or so. If he was rounding, he should have rounded to the nearest metre, which is 4m.



And note how the shutters are wide open. Our intrepid rock climbing 'enthusiast' (professional?) wasn't confident about having them shut, as would have faced Guede?


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[Vixen]

Ricardo Pinella is Height: 1,84 m.

He is a good four inches taller than Guede,


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[Numbers]

You omitted to mention the shutters, which of course would change the trajectory and force of the impact, and as I recall, glass was mostly inside the room. So now 'drifter' Guede is a master strategist, who's come equipped with 'burglars gloves' (how do slip-slidey gloves help in climbing a sheer wall?). In fact the height was greater than the 'three and a half metres', as claimed by the narrator in the video, it was something like 12'3", as I recall, from calculations at the time. That's a whole extra metre (3'). Why did Guede not just bring a ladder, given he was familiar with the building structure?

The difficulty you have is that even if he had found a loose small boulder and managed to smash the window first time, there is still the problem to overcome of getting into Filomena's room. The position of the hole in the window presented a further difficulty for anyone trying to access the building at that point, because the latch shutting the two windows together was much higher up and at the centre. So anyone reaching through the hole would experience enormous difficulty even reaching it to undo it. They would literally have to squeeze through a dangerous hole with spiky shards of glass.

Truth is, Sollecito picked up a rock from outside - having had the bright idea to stage a burglary - he notes in his book he read of a murder in which the husband did just that - and smashed the window in Filomena's room from standing at its door. The rock was found rolled by a chair.


And indeed, on ringing the police after the postal police arrived to return a phone, Sollecito told the operator 'nothing has been stolen'.


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Possibly Vixen has never heard of a "cat burglar". Or of a "second-story man".

A ‘Cat burglar’ is a burglar who enters buildings by extraordinarily skilful feats of climbing.
The London Daily News ran this story in April 1907:

Known, on account of his climbing ability, as the “Cat Burglar,” Arthur Edward Young pleaded guilty at Newington Sessions yesterday to several acts of burglary in Streatham. The only burglar’s implement in his possession was a small table knife useful for pushing back window catches.

Cat Burglar - Meaning & Origin Of The Phrase

What's the meaning and origin of the phrase 'Cat burglar'?

www.phrases.org.uk

cat burglar: a thief who enters and leaves a building by climbing up walls to an upper window, door, etc.

cat burglar

1. a thief who enters and leaves a building by climbing up walls to an upper…

dictionary.cambridge.org

second-story man: a burglar who enters a house by an upstairs window​

The first known use of second-story man was in 1886​

Definition of SECOND-STORY MAN

a burglar who enters a house by an upstairs window… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Stacyhs]

You would also need to be able to hoist yourself up from shoulder height like an Olympic gymnast. The PIP guy who did the climb was an experienced rock climber!

This is an unsupported assumption. I suppose this guy was an Olympic gymnast or an experienced rock climber:

He had people ready to catch him if he fell.

No, he didn't. And he didn't fall because he said it was an easy climb.

He wasn't faced with a whole lot of broken glass on the window sill, nor a small gap of sharp broken shards to ease himself through

Neither was Guede as he could brush glass off the sill while standing on the grate below. It was also cold that night so he was likely wearing long sleeves and/or a jacket and, as any experienced burglar would know to wear, gloves.

risking slicing his jugular vein plus he was in broad daylight.

And there's that famous hyperbole! That's why the news is just full of burglars breaking in by a window bleeding out on the sill because they cut their own throats on the glass!

Nor did he have to find and hoist a small boulder weighing 5kg and smash it high above in first time shot!

No matter how many times you've been told, the ballistic expert concluded the rock was thrown ACROSS from the parapet and NOT UP from the ground, you just keep repeating that nonsense. The rock could NOT have been thrown 13 ft. UP from the ground at the angle needed to shatter glass far into the bedroom.

Just call it a rock and stop with the hyperbolic 'small boulder' nonsense.

 

[Vixen]

This is an unsupported assumption. I suppose this guy was an Olympic gymnast or an experienced rock climber:

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No, he didn't. And he didn't fall because he said it was an easy climb.

Neither was Guede as he could brush glass off the sill while standing on the grate below. It was also cold that night so he was likely wearing long sleeves and/or a jacket and, as any experienced burglar would know to wear, gloves.

And there's that famous hyperbole! That's why the news is just full of burglars breaking in by a window bleeding out on the sill because they cut their own throats on the glass!


No matter how many times you've been told, the ballistic expert concluded the rock was thrown ACROSS from the parapet and NOT UP from the ground, you just keep repeating that nonsense. The rock could NOT have been thrown 13 ft. UP from the ground at the angle needed to shatter glass far into the bedroom.

Just call it a rock and stop with the hyperbolic 'small boulder' nonsense.

Google lens informs me that the guy in your pic only got to 20ft before falling...on top of a policeman.

In the short clip, the man is seen plummeting after losing his grasp on the wall, landing on a police officer below.

Four policemen rush to the man who fell, before noticing their colleague writing in pain on the floor.

A policeman asks 'Is he alright?' as the officer holds his leg after breaking the suspect's fall. DM

ETA: You completely missed the point about leverage. Once the guy gets to the top of the wall he has leverage to hoist himself over it. But a very narrow window ledge won't give him leverage to pull himself up at shoulder level up and in, especially not with two sets of shutters blocking him out, outer and inner.

Do you think this lawyer here at the scene of the crime had any luck getting any further?

 

[Stacyhs]

Here's the view of the cottage. Filomena's window can clearly be seen from the road by oncoming traffic.

View attachment 60145


Source: https://www.themurderofmeredithkercher.net/docupl/filelibrary/images/perugia/cottage/cottage-012.jpg

I don't know how to post a video from my personal folders as it has no url. But I can take snippet still photos and post them here. I filmed several cars going by from each direction. None of their headlights illuminated FR's window. The ones I'm posting here show the headlights coming from the direction that they could have lighted her window. Additionally, the lights on the parking parapet were NOT there in 2007 so her window was even in more darkness.

FR's window:





You can continue to claim FR's window was easily seen at night, but I've stood there and watched cars go by. It wasn't.

 

[Stacyhs]

Google lens informs me that the guy in your pic only got to 20ft before falling...on top of a policeman.

So he scaled a sheer wall 20 ft, before falling. Lucky for Guede he only had to climb about 13 ft., innit?

ETA: You completely missed the point about leverage. Once the guy gets to the top of the wall he has leverage to hoist himself over it. But a very narrow window ledge won't give him leverage to pull himself up at shoulder level up and in, especially not with two sets of shutters blocking him out, outer and inner.

You completely ignored the fact that the ballistics expert said the rock was thrown from the parking parapet and not UP from the ground.
As for leverage, the climber in the video does, in fact, stand on the grate below and demonstrates how the shutters are opened easily and glass can be removed from the window and sill. He clearly states hoisting himself onto the ledge is easy when the grates aren't there.
I don't know why you keep insisting the green shutters weren't open when the rock was thrown through the glass of the interior shutter.

Do you think this lawyer here at the scene of the crime had any luck getting any further?

Dunno...but we know the climber in the video did. Is the lawyer a semi-professional athlete like Guede as well as a lawyer? And please, learn to resize photos. It's not difficult.

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[Stacyhs]

You omitted to mention the shutters, which of course would change the trajectory and force of the impact, and as I recall, glass was mostly inside the room.

You omitted to mention the green shutters weren't closed when the rock was thrown as is made obvious by the fact there was no damage to them.

So now 'drifter' Guede is a master strategist, who's come equipped with 'burglars gloves' (how do slip-slidey gloves help in climbing a sheer wall?).

Are you seriously claiming that only a 'master strategist' burglar would understand the use of gloves during a break-in burglary? He certainly understood how a glass breaking tool works which is likely why he had one in his backpack when caught by the Milan police.

In fact the height was greater than the 'three and a half metres', as claimed by the narrator in the video, it was something like 12'3", as I recall, from calculations at the time. That's a whole extra metre (3').

So? The climber easily scaled the actual wall.

Why did Guede not just bring a ladder, given he was familiar with the building structure?

Guede had scaled such a wall before at the lawyer's office. Or are you going to now tell us he wasn't the actual burglar and that he bought the cell phone and laptop from some guy at a train stations?

What makes you think Guede even owned a ladder?

The difficulty you have is that even if he had found a loose small boulder and managed to smash the window first time, there is still the problem to overcome of getting into Filomena's room. The position of the hole in the window presented a further difficulty for anyone trying to access the building at that point, because the latch shutting the two windows together was much higher up and at the centre. So anyone reaching through the hole would experience enormous difficulty even reaching it to undo it. They would literally have to squeeze through a dangerous hole with spiky shards of glass.

The above is speculation, not established fact. From the broken glass still in the shutter, it's unlikely Guede crawled through it but rather did unlatch the shutter and opened it.

Truth is, Sollecito picked up a rock from outside - having had the bright idea to stage a burglary - he notes in his book he read of a murder in which the husband did just that - and smashed the window in Filomena's room from standing at its door. The rock was found rolled by a chair.

Does he, now? Then you can quote and cite it. I have a searchable version of his book. I can find no such mention of it.

And indeed, on ringing the police after the postal police arrived to return a phone,

LOL! Still banging the "ringing the police after the postal police arrived" drum, I see. Just another example of your inability to accept that even Massei said he called 112 before the postales arrived. Nor have you ever addressed my post showing there were FIVE calls made during the time the postales claimed they were there and they noticed NONE of them. You have no plausible or rational reason for this failure to note FIVE calls, so you just ignore it.

Sollecito told the operator 'nothing has been stolen'.

Yep, because someone who took the time to stage a burglary would really tell the police there had been no burglary! Riiiiiiiiight.....

 

[Stacyhs]

It's a shame they had to heavily edit the video so that we couldn't see him:

So now even the British Chan. 5 news that made the video is also 'bent' because they had to "heavily edit" it?

• jump over the car park railings nine feet to the ground without hurting himself (strange, the video cuts off that bit)
• see how he got onto the window sill in one movement instead of several unconnected clips.
• an experienced 'climbing enthusiast' as he self-describes himself, might know how to throw himself up with a few leaps but it is not something that most people could achieve without practice.
• We clearly see him clutching onto the bars, but Guede would not have had any bars to grab, as they were only installed in 2009.
• After the murder there were actually two burglaries and both entered via the other side of the building where it is ten times easier for an intruder (privacy, low height, easy climb).

You make accusations of prejudicial editing that you have no evidence for, only innuendo.
Yes, he used the bars but he also clearly says at 7:34,

RP: "And you can pull yourself up and go in the window without bars...it's not difficult...and enter the house."
Host: "Irrespective of bars, no bars."
RP: "It's no problem."

The climber and two lawyers must also be 'bent' or 'paid off', right? Orrrrrrr...just maybe... a member of the mafia!

Just because another burglar entered by the terrace does not mean Guede didn't enter by the window. Have you considered that by the time of the terrace entrances the green shutters on the window had been fixed and locked from the inside? I bet not.

The fact the defence had to heavily doctor the video to make the climb of a sheer 12' wall actually underlines that there was nothing 'easy' about it at all, plus they lobbed a metre off its true height.

Ah, so now it's the 'bent' defense who 'doctored' the video and no one from Channel 5 noticed it! If the defense doctored it, pray do provide a link to their 'doctored' video so we can compare it to the one on YT.
I'm sure you'll be doing that just after you provide the previously asked for evidence that Kercher was "lying on a sheet" and it was used to "move her body".

 

[Numbers]

So he scaled a sheer wall 20 ft, before falling. Lucky for Guede he only had to climb about 13 ft., innit?

You completely ignored the fact that the ballistics expert said the rock was thrown from the parking parapet and not UP from the ground.
As for leverage, the climber in the video does, in fact, stand on the grate below and demonstrates how the shutters are opened easily and glass can be removed from the window and sill. He clearly states hoisting himself onto the ledge is easy when the grates aren't there.
I don't know why you keep insisting the green shutters weren't open when the rock was thrown through the glass of the interior shutter.

Dunno...but we know the climber in the video did. Is the lawyer a semi-professional athlete like Guede as well as a lawyer? And please, learn to resize photos. It's not difficult.

Vixen's post with the picture of the lawyer climbing with the help of the lower window grating - a photo I suspect may have been posted here before - is revealing and contradicts Vixen's claims exaggerating the difficulty of climbing to the sill of the upper window by use of the lower window grating. It also shows, contrary to Vixen's posts, that the main issue for a climber is not the height above ground of the upper window sill, but rather the height of that sill above the highest secure foothold on the lower window grating or casement.

We see in this photo that the lawyer has been able to place his hand on the upper window's sill, that sill is about level with his shoulders, and he has not yet reached the highest rung (horizontal bar) of the grating. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the lawyer is rather tall - say, 6 ft. 0 in. = 1.83 m (rounded to 2 decimal places). A bit of photo analysis with a straight edge indicates that the distance from the top edge of the lower sill of the upper window to the top of the casement of the lower window is about 1/2 the height of the lawyer - that is, about 3 feet with our assumption of his height. According to one source, Guede is nearly 6 feet tall*.

Information in that source and related web pages is useful for gaining perspective on the window break-in from a forensic engineer, Ron Hendry. Here's one interesting comment from his introductory remarks in his examination of the physical evidence**:

The early posturing of the break-in as a staged situation without a rigorous investigation and sound factual evidence to back it up resulted in the murder investigation being turned upside down from the beginning. The threshold for proving it was other than a burglary break-in as it outwardly appeared should have been very high. Instead the threshold for proving it was a burglary break-in was set very high and seriously handicapped by the failure of the police to perform due diligence in promptly investigating and fully documenting the inside and outside areas as a break-in.​

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* http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry2-----a.html

** http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry------2.html

 

[Stacyhs]

Vixen's post with the picture of the lawyer climbing with the help of the lower window grating - a photo I suspect may have been posted here before - is revealing and contradicts Vixen's claims exaggerating the difficulty of climbing to the sill of the upper window by use of the lower window grating. It also shows, contrary to Vixen's posts, that the main issue for a climber is not the height above ground of the upper window sill, but rather the height of that sill above the highest secure foothold on the lower window grating or casement.

We see in this photo that the lawyer has been able to place his hand on the upper window's sill, that sill is about level with his shoulders, and he has not yet reached the highest rung (horizontal bar) of the grating. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the lawyer is rather tall - say, 6 ft. 0 in. = 1.83 m (rounded to 2 decimal places). A bit of photo analysis with a straight edge indicates that the distance from the top edge of the lower sill of the upper window to the top of the casement of the lower window is about 1/2 the height of the lawyer - that is, about 3 feet with our assumption of his height. According to one source, Guede is nearly 6 feet tall*.

Information in that source and related web pages is useful for gaining perspective on the window break-in from a forensic engineer, Ron Hendry. Here's one interesting comment from his introductory remarks in his examination of the physical evidence**:

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* http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry2-----a.html

** http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry------2.html

Hendry was absolutely correct. The police made an immediate assumption, without any investigation, that it was staged and this assumption determined the direction of the rest of their investigation.

The police made several assumptions later proved false: the bloody shoeprints were a 'perfect match' to RS's shoes, only a woman would cover the body, it had to be an inside job, the kitchen knife was the murder weapon, no one could climb that wall, etc.

But, like so many people, the police were not willing to admit error. Saving face was all-important.