Thermal
August Member
Hardly. That fallacy relies on an approach being superior exclusively because it's new or modern.
Not 'hardly'. More like "not vaguely related".
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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Not 'hardly'. More like "not vaguely related".
d4m10n
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Of course, but let's not draw other people's (or other peoples') lines for them,
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
What's the argument aside from chronological snobbery?
Thermal
August Member
Cultural evolution that has long left behind the idea of respectable women not being able to show their ankles in public? Broad trends that have for generations afforded women more freedom of presentation and liberal attitudes?
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
Chronological snobbery dressed up in the garb of cultural evolution can be seen for what it is in the changing room.
Freedom of presentation implies the ability to decide to whom they present, along with where, when and how.
Thermal
August Member
Fair. But we are trying to work out where the broader societal lines should be, yeah? Some people's ideas may be found inconducive to societal goals.
Thermal
August Member
Ok. Do their personal decisions dictate societal accommodations? Cuz those same people seem.pretty adamant that the trans people don't have that privilege. One way street, maybe?
acbytesla
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I'm not saying their concerns are totally unfounded. I'm saying that the recent "trans panic" is over the top and transphobia is the reason.
theprestige
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I for one am not at all interested in working out where the broader lines should be.
I think the broader lines are fine exactly where they are.
I'm trying to work out if there's any plausible reason why transwomen should be entitled to cross those lines.
You're trying to address that by suggesting women need to redraw their lines to better accommodate transwomen. Without having answered the actual question - is it necessary?
Thermal
August Member
Really? Because broadly, transwomen have a lot of open doors. All over my state, everywhere. Lia Thomas' women's swim records are proudly displayed at UPenn. And the courts of most states are falling in line in greater numbers: if gender equals sex, and you can't discriminate by gender or sex, than there are no sex segregated spaces.
Look around. Dey dun been crossed.
it's necessary to clean this up right pronto, and codify sex segregated spaces and their limitations.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Tomorrow morning, 9.45 BST. Be there.
Thermal
August Member
I'd love to say this makes less sense than any other post here, but...
Readers have no way of knowing what you mean by "trans panic" is. So again, you're posting vague statements that can't be rebutted.
smartcooky
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Applicable to @Thermal, @Mycroft, @acbytesla, and others. That has become clear over the last few weeks of their posting here. Its clear that they neither care, nor want to care.
I don't want to have to rely on my ability to fight off a man. I don't want him there in the first place.
Here's the Dolatowski case to add to the collection.
Transgender woman, 18, sexually assaulted girl, 10, in Morrisons toilet
Katie Dolatowski was spared jail despite a similar attack weeks earlier.metro.co.uk
As a counter to that stupid mouse-ears picture the papers keep publishing, here's what Dolatowski actually looks like.
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There has never been a picture of him without the hair all over his face (and often he has a mask on), but you get the idea. Look how he towers over the two female prison officers given the job of handling him.
Here is another example that points up the complete BS @Thermal is spouting - 'you'll just have to fight them off' is a complete BS argument - yes @Thermal, that is the argument you are making, whether you understand it or not. Pound-for-pound, men have more than 250% the punching power of women. My girls are both about 5'6" and 8½ to 9 stone. Neither of them would have had the proverbial snowball's chance in hell of fighting off this guy. One punch would have been enough to knock them from here to next Christmas.
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Rolfe
Adult human female
And he attacked a ten-year-old. He's something like six feet five.
smartcooky
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Inconvenient facts that some of the TRAs here wish would go away.
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acbytesla
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Yes they do. They know very well. The popularity of this thread confirms it.
Rolfe
Adult human female
There is a court judgement due tomorrow morning which is critical in this debate. It's happening in London, but it will have ramifications across the globe. Everyone who is up to speed on this issue, on either side, is counting the hours. Telling that you have no idea.
UK Supreme Court: The Definition of Sex in the Equality Act
For Women Scotland was founded in 2018 and campaigns to protect and strengthen women’s rights.
www.crowdjustice.com
The 'what is a woman' verdict is due. But how did it come to this? | …
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smartcooky
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The popularity of this thread does not stem from "trans panic" (
rolleyes: whatever the hell that is supposed to mean)... it stems from the vile statements of a few TRA misogynists calling normal people "bigots" and "transphobes" for defending the rights of women.Rolfe
Adult human female
Euan McColm is a journalist I normally despise. But this is a really excellent article about what's happening tomorrow.
www.dailymail.co.uk
EUAN McCOLM: Sturgeon's real legacy...an army of women betrayed
At the instigation of feminist campaign group For Women Scotland (FWS), the Supreme Court will give its view on whether womanhood is real or just a feeling.