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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

I still believe all of this is an overreaction.
"All of this"? The vague way that you post makes it hard to rebut you. I urge you to specifically point out the things you object to. In the meantime...

1 in 5 women have been raped according to official statistics*. And it's widely accepted that rape is hugely under-reported. By all means, explain to the women here about their overreactions. And how they're really just transphobes.

* Or attempted rape.
 
"All of this"? The vague way that you post makes it hard to rebut you. I urge you to specifically point out the things you object to. In the meantime...

1 in 5 women have been raped according to official statistics*. And it's widely accepted that rape is hugely under-reported. By all means, explain to the women here about their overreactions. And how they're really just transphobes.

* Or attempted rape.
The post after post about this. How many women have been raped in Women's bathrooms by a transgender individual?
 
The post after post about this. How many women have been raped in Women's bathrooms by a transgender individual?
Why does it matter how many? Rape is not the only issue with biological males being given the RIGHT of entry if they say the magic words, and women being labelled bigots and transphobes by people like YOU if they dare demand they leave.
 
This is the basis of the why. Because even nice "safe" males are likely to be thinking about our bodies in a sexual way. Because 80% of females have been harmed by males.
OK, this is going to sound sharper than intended, but I want to cut to the chase: men think about you sexually? So what? Welcome to planet earth. Men have that caveman thing you talked about going on. So what if they think about you sexually? Men think about avacados sexually.
And because if a male decides they want to harm us, there is nothing we can do about it.

Read that again, and try to understand the vulnerability here. I'm not saying "we're not allowed to do anything about it". We cannot do anything about it - we physically cannot force our will on males, but males can (and often enough do) force their will on females.
Again, blunter than intended: bull ◊◊◊◊. If you can exert 20 lbs of pressure (and unless crippled, you can), you can put a much larger male in the hospital. It's a question of will, and I don't accept this 'oh we're just widdle womenfolk' absolute bull ◊◊◊◊.

My daughters are all much smaller than me, and god help the sorry son of a bitch that attacks any one of them. They'll put the bitch in ICU before they are victimized. Because they will not utter the words you have been typing. They will not be docile victims and give up before the fight.
So to summarize... Females generally want to retain sex-segregated spaces because:
  • Males ogle us and think sexual thoughts about us and that makes us uncomfortable because
So what? I mean in the big picture, so what? Does it make you uncomfortable? Do you want me to list off the things that make me uncomfortable? It's a rather long list.
  • 80% of females have been subjected to sexual assault or harassment, which often begins when we're very young and have just started puberty and
  • 20% of us have been the victims of attempted or completed rape and
I'm in the 20%! And in a lot of these surveys, I've seen what they call 'sexual harrassment'. By the milquetoast definitions, I have been sexually harressed since childhood. So I'm in the 80% too.
  • Being naked or vulnerable in an enclosed semi-private space with unknown males increases our threat level
No it doesn't. It might increase unwarranted paranoia, but that's a very different thing. We talked about that earlier, on guard versus threatened. There is a difference, and you are glossing over it.
Do you think those reasons why are unreasonable?
Although I am being very intentionally blunt (sorry but it moves things along faster): no, those aren't reasonable unless you don't set foot on a dark street alone, ever. Never stop for a cop pulling you over, never work alone in an office with a man, that kind of thing. If you can do those things, or even walk with your spouse on a street (unless you think he is bulletproof of stun gun resistant), you're not as in as much global fear of men as you claim. You can't just declare global fear of men and demand imaginary 'safe spaces' from them, that are no safer than an unlocked door with a sign.

Fear of men in general is a mental illness, as you are framing it. You should be no more afraid of that 1 in 200 transwoman than I am of the males I run across in a men's room, who are often together and outnumber me.

Again, I'm being blunt to cut to the chase, not to be insensitive.
 
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The post after post about this. How many women have been raped in Women's bathrooms by a transgender individual?
One of the first things I asked about when rejoining this thread was if there were any stats on these famed bathroom attacks, not even limited to transgenders. Just any at all. A bunch of posters (including a couple still posting with us right now) got snotty with me and chastised me for not looking back five pages in the discussion where they claimed they had posted the stats. So we looked back. Turned out they were all full of ◊◊◊◊, every one of them, and they still are.

Bathrooms are a lousy-ass place to attack someone. No escape, no visibility for who is around (like a cop or someone who is already calling one).
 
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One of the first things I asked about when rejoining this thread was if there were any stats on these famed bathroom attacks, not even limited to transgenders. Just any at all. A bunch of posters (including a couple still posting with us right now) got snotty with me and chastised me for not looking back five pages in the discussion where they claimed they had posted the stats. So we looked back. Turned out they were all full of ◊◊◊◊, every one of them, and they still are.

Bathrooms are a lousy-ass place to attack someone. No escape, no visibility for who is around (like a cop or someone who is already calling one)
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Hey @acbytesla - YOU won't be able to tell the next two are not women, amirite?


....and this one is exactly the type of attack we have been talking about...

The details of the 2021 assault — the attacker was wearing a skirt in a women’s bathroom — made it a flashpoint in the national debate over allowing transgender students to use bathrooms, play sports and go by names and gender pronouns that reflect their gender identity.
Still, the assaults appear to have little to do with the attacker’s gender identity, according to documents filed with the family’s lawsuit. Teachers say he preferred and requested male pronouns, according to a report by a law firm that investigated the assault.

A student who did not identify as a woman, but wore a dress to disguise himself

But of course, none of this will move the needle for you. I'm sure you will manage to come up with some dumb-as-◊◊◊◊ pretext to handwave or spin these away.
 
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One of the first things I asked about when rejoining this thread was if there were any stats on these famed bathroom attacks, not even limited to transgenders. Just any at all. A bunch of posters (including a couple still posting with us right now) got snotty with me and chastised me for not looking back five pages in the discussion where they claimed they had posted the stats. So we looked back. Turned out they were all full of ◊◊◊◊, every one of them, and they still are.

Bathrooms are a lousy-ass place to attack someone. No escape, no visibility for who is around (like a cop or someone who is already calling one).

You were shown that transwomen are massively over represented when it comes to committing sexual assault and you've seemingly taken a "can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs" attitude to those stats
 
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That list missed out Katie Dolatowski and by inference how many more?

It also doesn't cover the numerous incidents of hidden cameras found in women's bathrooms, or the issue of schoolgirls refusing to drink all day in the hope they can make it through the day without having to go to a bathroom full of hormonal adolescent boys who think it's funny to discuss loudly which girls they think are on their period, and kick down the cubicle doors to see what the girls are doing.
 
Wary, yes. But it doesn't justify all this virulent hate. This thread is without question, the most commented on, least important thread on this website.

Well, if it's so unimportant, why waste your time on it? It's extremely important to many people. You have no desire at all, perhaps no ability, to see this from any point of view other than your own very narrow one.

I and other posters have written a great deal trying to explain how women in particular feel about this, and you ignore every word of it, merely returning with fresh insults about virulent hate, prejudice, bigotry and transphobia without engaging in any of the detail that has been presented.

Not only were you so uninterested in the thread that you didn't even notice my custom title, you have obviously skipped over numerous detailed posts I made, specifically aimed at you, in which I made it perfectly clear I was a woman. It beggars belief.

You are the one who is contributing nothing but hate and bigotry to the thread.
 
That list missed out Katie Dolatowski and by inference how many more?

It also doesn't cover the numerous incidents of hidden cameras found in women's bathrooms, or the issue of schoolgirls refusing to drink all day in the hope they can make it through the day without having to go to a bathroom full of hormonal adolescent boys who think it's funny to discuss loudly which girls they think are on their period, and kick down the cubicle doors to see what the girls are doing.
Sorry, I can't find every incident Rolfe, there's so many of them... and of course, as is the case with rape and sexual assault, only a small fraction of them are reported.

With the incidents involving my daughters, they were reported to the Police but not the press... we asked them not to report it because we didn't want the grief and vitriol that would certainly have come our way from the local TRA crowd.
 
OK, this is going to sound sharper than intended, but I want to cut to the chase: men think about you sexually? So what? Welcome to planet earth. Men have that caveman thing you talked about going on. So what if they think about you sexually? Men think about avacados sexually.

Again, blunter than intended: bull ◊◊◊◊. If you can exert 20 lbs of pressure (and unless crippled, you can), you can put a much larger male in the hospital. It's a question of will, and I don't accept this 'oh we're just widdle womenfolk' absolute bull ◊◊◊◊.

My daughters are all much smaller than me, and god help the sorry son of a bitch that attacks any one of them. They'll put the bitch in ICU before they are victimized. Because they will not utter the words you have been typing. They will not be docile victims and give up before the fight.

So what? I mean in the big picture, so what? Does it make you uncomfortable? Do you want me to list off the things that make me uncomfortable? It's a rather long list.

I'm in the 20%! And in a lot of these surveys, I've seen what they call 'sexual harrassment'. By the milquetoast definitions, I have been sexually harressed since childhood. So I'm in the 80% too.

No it doesn't. It might increase unwarranted paranoia, but that's a very different thing. We talked about that earlier, on guard versus threatened. There is a difference, and you are glossing over it.

Although I am being very intentionally blunt (sorry but it moves things along faster): no, those aren't reasonable unless you don't set foot on a dark street alone, ever. Never stop for a cop pulling you over, never work alone in an office with a man, that kind of thing. If you can do those things, or even walk with your spouse on a street (unless you think he is bulletproof of stun gun resistant), you're not as in as much global fear of men as you claim. You can't just declare global fear of men and demand imaginary 'safe spaces' from them, that are no safer than an unlocked door with a sign.

Fear of men in general is a mental illness, as you are framing it. You should be no more afraid of that 1 in 200 transwoman than I am of the males I run across in a men's room, who are often together and outnumber me.

Again, I'm being blunt to cut to the chase, not to be insensitive.
It's really not fair of you too so easily disregard and make fun of the legitimate concerns of women.
 
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Hey @acbytesla - YOU won't be able to tell the next two are not women, amirite?


....and this one is exactly the type of attack we have been talking about...

The details of the 2021 assault — the attacker was wearing a skirt in a women’s bathroom — made it a flashpoint in the national debate over allowing transgender students to use bathrooms, play sports and go by names and gender pronouns that reflect their gender identity.
Still, the assaults appear to have little to do with the attacker’s gender identity, according to documents filed with the family’s lawsuit. Teachers say he preferred and requested male pronouns, according to a report by a law firm that investigated the assault.

A student who did not identify as a woman, but wore a dress to disguise himself

But of course, none of this will move the needle for you. I'm sure you will manage to come up with some dumb-as-◊◊◊◊ pretext to handwave or spin these away.
All right! I asked if there were stats, and smartcooky delivered the stats! Good job!

Soooooo... these are the statistics? Really? A dozen instances, spanning the globe? I note that a few are not even applicable: one is in a private home, one is a 9 yr old girl and a teenage girl in a hotel, one involves four women who got angry at another woman who was taking too long in the bathroom, a couple where it was not a bathroom attack, but an attack that ended up in a bathroom. But still, giving you a gold star and full credit for the whole dozen.

So your statistics on bathroom assaults are... a dozen, worldwide? Going back to .. ahem... 2019? Wow, that's dramatically less than I would have thought, and by orders of magnitude. Pretty much in the area of being struck by lightning? Lower, even?

Would you like to discuss this further, or is it time to change the subject or slink away? Because I think the term 'Reading Comprehension: FAIL' is gonna be coming up.

@Emily's Cat ;although smartcooky put up a pretty worthless stat, there is one story up there which at least applies to your line of reasoning, re that women cant do anything against any male who decides to hurt them. "Woman fights off sex offender attack in Seattle-area bathroom"

Take a look at that woman. Thin as a rail, I doubt if she weighs a buck 10, She fought off a determined, much larger rapist barehanded, haven taken a simple self defense class three weeks prior. It really is that simple to have a fighting chance.You are not the guaranteed loser, and never tell yourself that, or you will start to believe it for no reason. You can win.
 
You were shown that transwomen are massively over represented when it comes to committing sexual assault and you've seemingly taken a "can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs" attitude to those stats
I asked if there were stats on bathroom assaults, so we could discuss this at a higher level than twitter twat posts. I was given a non answer about 79 transgender sex offenders. Oh, wait, self IDed transgender, my mistake. Every one could have been faking being trans for access to women's spaces, as your side also insists is the case.

ETA: oh, and none were even suggested to be bathroom attacks. The rather sledgehammered point was that 'your side' cannot be honest for two posts running.
 
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I don't want to have to rely on my ability to fight off a man. I don't want him there in the first place.

Here's the Dolatowski case to add to the collection.


As a counter to that stupid mouse-ears picture the papers keep publishing, here's what Dolatowski actually looks like.

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There has never been a picture of him without the hair all over his face (and often he has a mask on), but you get the idea. Look how he towers over the two female prison officers given the job of handling him.
 
I see the male posters have once again managed to turn the discussion back to the frequency of attacks by males in female single sex spaces, despite the female posters making it clear over and over again that is not their only, or even main, concern stemming from their loss of those spaces.
 
There will never be the statistics Thermal seems to want. Nobody is going to be able to show that one in however many women going into a public toilet is sexually assaulted by a trans-identifying man. And if they could, the ratio would be so low as to be able to be mocked. All anyone can do is search press reports to find examples, and no number of examples will be enough for men determined never to see anything from a woman's perspective.

It's the same with the stats on sexual offending in general. We do have stats on that, that trans identifying men, as a population, commit sexual offences about five times as often as other men. And all we get when we present these is mockery that this only amounts to 79 men, or whatever it was. (Actually it was 92, in England and Wales, at the time of the figures I was first struck by.)


And as you say, Pixel, we simply don't want men in our spaces. No matter how nice and kind and harmless they are. We particularly don't want the sort of man who dresses up in a bad wig and lipstick to force his way in, but that's just a particular example of a general rule.
 
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I don't want to have to rely on my ability to fight off a man. I don't want him there in the first place.
You forgot to read again. I was addressing that to EC and her specific reasoning, not to yours, which is very different.
Here's the Dolatowski case to add to the collection.


As a counter to that stupid mouse-ears picture the papers keep publishing, here's what Dolatowski actually looks like.

There has never been a picture of him without the hair all over his face (and often he has a mask on), but you get the idea. Look how he towers over the two female prison officers given the job of handling him.
Another 2019! What are we up to now, 13? Impressive, considering about half are not even related to what we are talking about.
 
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