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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

Detectives often know when someone is a perp. There is nothing to stop anyone from thinking whatever they like. If Mignini thought Knox was a suspect from Day 1 - says you the mind-reader - then what are you going to do about it? What protocol has been broken?

Given she never bothered calling the police and got dressed in her room in the dark (because HER lamp was under Mez' bed!) and supposedly took a shower, with Sollecito's great bloody footprint on the bathmat, her second within hours, as per her email to everyone in her address book in the early hours of the following Sunday, he carefully scrubbed her from top to bottom. As well as being up all night mopping up water and getting up VERY early after a bank holiday evening to purchase cleaning fluids, and with both having switched off their phones for the entire duration: why WOULDN'T anyone with an ounce of commons sense find Knox' behaviour suspicious?



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It was daylight when she got dressed. Where there no windows in her room?
People often take showers at night and then another one in the a.m.
They were "up all night mopping" but "got up VERY early":unsure:....make that make sense.
So amusing that after pulling an all-nighter "cleaning" they left a bathmat with a "great bloody footprint" on it in plain view.
 
How about the fact Knox tore out all the pages in her diary for the week leading up to the murder?
This doesn't address my question why would it be necessary to make something normal such as switching phones sound incriminating if the case against Amanda and Raffaele was so solid. As guilters have a history of lying, can Vixen provide any evidence Amanda ripped pages from her diary.
 
Kercher was NOT lying on a sheet. She was lying on the bare floor with a pillow under her hips and a comforter on top of her. Where do you get this nonsense?


Ahem....how is it 'insider' knowledge when Kercher wasn't found IN the wardrobe but on the floor between the bed and wardrobe?

Stop repeating proven lies.


You forgot to mention the sheet. You know, the one they were dragging the body along with towards the wardrobe...? I wonder why you left that out? It indicates a conscious effort to cover up an incriminating fact, because, after all, a random burglar would just be out of there, not hanging around trying to clean up and hide the body.


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Then don't pretend to know what Knox is thinking. Many, many of your postings have presented "Know thought this"..."Know thought that"....as though you can wave a black magic wand and turn your opinions into empirical facts.

Explain what you mean by this. Are you calling me a satanist?

Citations of where I have 'presented "Know thought this"..."Know thought that".


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This doesn't address my question why would it be necessary to make something normal such as switching phones sound incriminating if the case against Amanda and Raffaele was so solid. As guilters have a history of lying, can Vixen provide any evidence Amanda ripped pages from her diary.


It is a fact entered into evidence.



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It was daylight when she got dressed. Where there no windows in her room?
People often take showers at night and then another one in the a.m.
They were "up all night mopping" but "got up VERY early":unsure:....make that make sense.
So amusing that after pulling an all-nighter "cleaning" they left a bathmat with a "great bloody footprint" on it in plain view.


Errr, Knox confirmed her room was dark without the light switched on.


The local shopkeeper Quintavalli, confirmed under oath a girl matching Knox' description came in at opening time and hung around the cleaning fluids section. He took note because it was unusual for a student-type to be up so early, especially on a Bank Holiday morning. The pair got up at 5:00am and played heavy metal and Fight Club but told the police they didn't wake up until 10:00.


Police found huge bottles of freshly used ACE bleach under Sollecito's sink. Bleach had been used to try to cover up the footprints - other than Guede's - in the hallway of the murder cottage.


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I am out now, as I am not used to rough language.




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Claim you. Do you have a citation for this (other than yourself or a Sollecito supporter)? There is zero evidence anyone dressed Sollecito up like a mad scientist other than off his own bat. He also mentioned on FB he wanted 'extreme experiences'. He boasted about all the drugs he was taking. Daddy wanted to send him to rehab.


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Look at the photo. That's toilet paper. Do you think he wrapped himself up in TP from head to toe? You accused me of putting words in your mouth (which is false) and here you are doing exactly that: I never said anything about "a mad scientist". Projecting much there?

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Ooooooooooooh.....Scary!! :scared::scared::scared:

Yeah, "extreme experiences" equates to rape and murder, right? You know what other "extreme experiences" can mean? Sky diving, bungee jumping, driving a race car, mountain climbing, and a host of others.

"All the drugs he was taking"...and yet, his hair test of Nov. 6 showed no narcotics use. Just like M-B wrote the police had "investigative amnesia", you see absolutely everything through guilt-colored glasses. Nothing can have an innocent meaning.
 
The cartwheels claim is a PIP one. For example, Sceptic Ginger claims Knox was only arrested because she was performing cartwheels.

Please refrain from offensive abuse.


Yeah, so what?

Regardless, it's what started some guilters down the path of lies, hate, and Darkness.

I remember the big fight they had with the one the Founders of Wikipedia when (for the first time, in its history) Jimmy Wales (I think?) stepped in personally to set the record straight and have the writers not be so one-sided.

It was originally written by guilters and it was biased against Amanda and Raffaele. It only had info that disfavored them (the cartwheel for example) and ignored anything that was actually a fact or in their favor.

As a matter of fact, the cartwheel took up a whole subtitle all by itself on the page. IIRC, it was three paragraphs long and was mostly a discussion of her "weird" behavior.

In the forum section of the page, some of them even admitted that they thought A&R were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, even before all the facts were in.

They were the ones that gave Jimmy the hardest time.


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Vecchiotti was fined €100,000 for gross negligence.

What parted of "acquitted on appeal" are you not comprehending? Maybe if you read it several times, you'll remember it:
On this basis, the Court decided to acquit the experts and justified its decision by arguing that "proof of the subjective requirement of gross negligence" had not been provided

Do you want not to claim she had to pay that fine even after being acquitted? Sheesh.
 
Look at the photo. That's toilet paper. Do you think he wrapped himself up in TP from head to toe? You accused me of putting words in your mouth (which is false) and here you are doing exactly that: I never said anything about "a mad scientist". Projecting much there?

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Ooooooooooooh.....Scary!! :scared::scared::scared:

Yeah, "extreme experiences" equates to rape and murder, right? You know what other "extreme experiences" can mean? Sky diving, bungee jumping, driving a race car, mountain climbing, and a host of others.

"All the drugs he was taking"...and yet, his hair test of Nov. 6 showed no narcotics use. Just like M-B wrote the police had "investigative amnesia", you see absolutely everything through guilt-colored glasses. Nothing can have an innocent meaning.


Yes, Knox, Guede and Sollecito scaring Mez and hazing her for thrills must have been really hilarious for people of that mindset.

I am so glad I don't find it at all amusing.




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Yes, Knox, Guede and Sollecito scaring Mez and hazing her for thrills must have been really hilarious for people of that mindset.

I am so glad I don't find it at all amusing.
It would be great if you ever came to realise that never happened, but I appreciate that's not going to change.
 
Yes, Knox, Guede and Sollecito scaring Mez and hazing her for thrills must have been really hilarious for people of that mindset.

I am so glad I don't find it at all amusing.


I hate what happened to Mez. I had to leave this thread fourteen years ago because just thinking of her last minutes on earth made me cry.

I still can't shake that feeling, but I had to come back because I hate the way the guilters make it seem like we don't care about her or think we're siding with murderers. They're the real Darkness in this tragedy.

FYI, I read the book about the murder (can't remember the name off hand, sorry) that was really biased, and I came here to find out the truth.

I learned a lot about DNA from some real experts and ALL OF IT made me realize that something stinky was definitely going on in Italy.


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I've moved 22 posts to AAH. Stop the personal attacks

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jimbob
 
Explain what you mean by this. Are you calling me a satanist?

Citations of where I have 'presented "Know thought this"..."Know thought that".


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2 typos..."Knox thought this"...."Knox thought that".....is how it should have read. No citations necessary.
 
Detectives often know when someone is a perp. There is nothing to stop anyone from thinking whatever they like.
Police often assume someone is a perp even before any evidence is processed because, you know, their "gut instincts" are so on target! As De Felice so proudly said, they got Knox to 'buckle' and admit to facts they knew to be true...like Lumumba was involved.
If Mignini thought Knox was a suspect from Day 1 - says you the mind-reader - then what are you going to do about it?
I don't need to mind-read. He stated himself that a) only a female would cover the body, b) it was an 'inside' job, c) Knox's behavior outside the cottage was suspicious, and d) he suspected her on Nov. 3 when she broke down at the cottage.

What protocol has been broken?
Ummm.....how about waiting for the forensic evidence analyses to come back? How about letting the evidence guide the investigation to the suspects instead of being suspect-centered and interpreting the evidence to fit the suspect? As M-B said: "investigative amnesia".
Given she never bothered calling the police
Oh, dear. Could you be any more intellectually dishonest? You know Raffaele called once they discovered the break-in, he knew the emergency number while Knox didn't, and most obviously (except to you), Raffaele spoke Italian. Even the postales said they had to have Raffaele translate for her because they couldn't understand her rudimentary Italian.
and got dressed in her room in the dark (because HER lamp was under Mez' bed!)
Um....it was late morning, not night, with natural light from both her window and the hallway along the terrace.
Try as you might, her lamp isn't evidence of anything. It's yet another example of how absolutely everything has to be interpreted as supporting guilt even when there's a plausible and innocent explanation. As often said, if Knox were guilty, as soon as she heard that her lamp was in Kercher's bedroom, all she had to say was "Yes, she asked to borrow it for her desk." Instead, she said she didn't know how it got there....because she didn't. Also, since you think they spent all night staging and cleaning, you'd think she'd notice her lamp wasn't in her room because it was dark then and that was her only artificial light source. But don't let logic stand in the way of your narrative


.and supposedly took a shower, with Sollecito's great bloody footprint on the bathmat, her second within hours, as per her email to everyone in her address book in the early hours of the following Sunday, he carefully scrubbed her from top to bottom.
1) It wasn't Sollecito's. You need to use some logic here: it that had been Sollecito's they would have removed it and not pointed it out to the police. To think otherwise is illogical and ridiculous.
2) It wasn't "her second within hours, as per her email". This is what her email said:
It was the day after halloween, thursday. I got home and she was still asleep, but after i had taken a shower and was fumbling around the kitchen she emerged from her room with the blood of her costume (vampire) still dripping down her chin.
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the next morning i woke up around 1030 and after grabbing my few things i left raffael's appartment and walked the five minute walk back to my house to once again take a shower and grab a change of clothes.
That's a shower the morning of Nov. 1 and a shower the morning of Nov. 2. She showered once a day! Maybe that's unusual, so suspicious, where you live?
As well as being up all night mopping up water
Wait. I thought they were up all night at the cottage cleaning up invisible DNA and prints but somehow missing all the intact prints in the kitchen, hallway, and bedrooms, and missing the blood in the bathroom and the bloody print on the mat!

and getting up VERY early after a bank holiday evening to purchase cleaning fluids,
LOL! Oh, Vixen. Referring to Quintavalle, who was completely discredited by Volturno and the lack of any store record showing any purchase of cleaning fluids by anyone, much less Knox, just reeks of "selective amnesia"!
and with both having switched off their phones for the entire duration: why WOULDN'T anyone with an ounce of commons sense find Knox' behaviour suspicious?
Oh, dear. Because most of the things you bring up as evidence are false, were not known Nov. 2-Nov. 5/6, or irrelevant.
 
Mignini's book only came out a few months ago. I dare say he is in the process of having it translated to English.



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Mignini's book came out sometime in 2022. That's not a few months ago. I highly doubt his or Guede's books will be translated into English & available on Amazon, etc. It would have happened by now if it was going to. Too bad because I would have been interested in reading both.
 

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