Merged Due process in the US

[Andy_Ross]

Donald's doesn't want him back because it opens the door for all those sent without due process to be ordered back.

Plus, if he can get away with not complying with this even after SCOTUS ruled on it he can ignore the courts on anything.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

In short, because the Trump Administration claimed, without any convictions or reasonable evidence, that he was a gang member and because the US is now paying El Salvador to jail deportees. He's received a bit more coverage because his deportation was brazenly and unambiguously illegal, to the point where the Trump Administration has had no real choice but to acknowledge that they made a mistake. Given that they've openly admitted to error, there's an expectation that they should work to correct that error.

Thank you. So the imprisonment is not for anything El Salvador has against him, rather it's a service they are providing to the US government for a fee.

So the only reason he is incarcerated (assuming he still is) is because the US Government is paying the Salvadoreans to keep him incarcerated. That seems... performatively evil.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

Sorry, but if you want to gaslight someone, you need to have some sort of emotional leverage over them, ...

I do.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Thank you. So the imprisonment is not for anything El Salvador has against him, rather it's a service they are providing to the US government for a fee.

So the only reason he is incarcerated (assuming he still is) is because the US Government is paying the Salvadoreans to keep him incarcerated. That seems... performatively evil.

Yes, but if I understand correctly he actually had court leave to remain as his life was at risk if he returned to.. [Checks Notes] El Salvadore. When it comes to performative cruelty, this is the full stadium experience.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Yep, they literally pulled this out of their collective MAGA asses. No judge would enforce this as these criminal penalties do not exist.

Clearly these are just colloquial punishments. Imaginary fines. Pretend imprisonment. Surely it was obvious she was joking.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

He has not lived in El Salvador for a long time; therefore, I am unable to picture what potential crime he might have committed there.

 

[stanfr]

It could be worse...it could be the secret love child of Trump and Karoline Leavitt... (yes, I have too much time on my hands)

 

[Chris_Halkides]

If he was a US citizen mistakenly sent abroad that would be one thing. But he is a Salvadorian sent back to El Salvador. His country can do whatever they want with him. All we can do is ask and offer sanctions if they refuse, but why would we do all this for a non-American? What is soo special about this guy? Did he serve in the US Armed Forces? Volunteer at VA hospitals? Is he a member of a persecuted minority group?

AP. "The family moved 10 minutes away, but the gang [Barrio 18] threatened to rape and kill Abrego Garcia’s sisters, court records state. The family shut down the business, moved again and eventually sent Abrego Garcia to the U.S."

 

[Aridas]

Clearly these are just colloquial punishments. Imaginary fines. Pretend imprisonment. Surely it was obvious she was joking.

And those imaginary punishments would only be done to those they "correctly" threatened and not those like, say, the American citizens who happen to be immigration lawyers that they've sent notice to leave the US NOW or face the consequences. Once they've bundled them off to El Salvador, of course, there's no way that they'll be able to get them returned, so that'll be that.

 

[steenkh]

What is soo special about this guy?

What is special about this guy is that he is the victim of an injustice, and a mistake at that. Why would the U.S. not try to correct this?

 

[dirtywick]

the law is only for the exceptional. if you’re not special then ◊◊◊◊ you

 

[Aridas]

What is special about this guy is that he is the victim of an injustice, and a mistake at that. Why would the U.S. not try to correct this?

If it wasn't actually a mistake, but rather was the people running the US being intentionally evil and lying about it to try to get away with it scot free, that would be why.

Unfortunately, that's highly likely to be the reality of the situation, especially given Trump's first term.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

What is special about this guy is that he is the victim of an injustice, and a mistake at that. Why would the U.S. not try to correct this?

It would be an admission of their incompetence. It would appear weak. It would be a recognition that they are not above the law.

Far better that an entirely innocent man suffer continued incarceration in an especially hellish prison than the Dear Leader face the embarrassment of undoing a horrible injustice he caused, simply because a mere court tells him he must.

 

[Hercules56]

What is special about this guy is that he is the victim of an injustice, and a mistake at that. Why would the U.S. not try to correct this?

They should try, but he's a Salvadorian citizen in El Salvador, not much we can do.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Well, the US could stop paying El Salvador to keep him in prison awaiting the God Emperor's pleasure and suggest he be released. That's something they could do.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

From my previous AP link, "In October 2019, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s asylum request but granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador because of a “well-founded fear” of gang persecution, according to his case. He was released, and ICE did not appeal."

 

[steenkh]

They should try, but he's a Salvadorian citizen in El Salvador, not much we can do.

If you don’t try, you don’t know. Has the U.S. asked nicely?

 

[Foster Zygote]

I do.

That's cute.

Let's puts your argument to a hypothetical test. Imagine you lived in a city where a vote was held to determine whether to declare all churches within city limits to be Catholic, or to keep things as they are. Let's say you're a Baptist, so you vote to keep things as they are. But the area has a large Catholic populace, and of the 65% of eligible voters who cast ballots, 51% vote to declare everyone Catholic. By your own, well let's call it 'logic', you voted to be Catholic, so you should immediately start praying the Rosary and attending confession.

Or is that not how voting works?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Trumpkins: I love Murica because we're the biggest, baddest, strongest superpower there is, we can defeat any enemy in weeks, we write and enforce the rules, the whole world bows to us! :eagle screech:

Also trumpkins: well wed love to have him back but they say they dont want to so i guess that settles it guys just do as they say


Love how they tie themselves into pretzels to try to agree with Dear Leader about everything.


Edit, rules, damnit, though roles sort of fit, too.

 

[bruto]

That's cute.

Let's puts your argument to a hypothetical test. Imagine you lived in a city where a vote was held to determine whether to declare all churches within city limits to be Catholic, or to keep things as they are. Let's say you're a Baptist, so you vote to keep things as they are. But the area has a large Catholic populace, and of the 65% of eligible voters who cast ballots, 51% vote to declare everyone Catholic. By your own, well let's call it 'logic', you voted to be Catholic, so you should immediately start praying the Rosary and attending confession.

Or is that not how voting works?

It is if you stand far enough back. Individuals blur into groups, minorities to nothing. Generalization to bigotry to genocide.