Trump's Second Term

Blue Mountain said:
I think you're talking off of cuff here. Which section of the executive order talks about gutting regulations?


Where in the executive order is NAVSEA mentioned?
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I am on my phone at the moment but when I get home I will expand on my post
 
angrysoba said:
Do people expect that the stock market will continue to climb, or was that surge caused by people trying to ride the wave?

I don't imagine that this shows a sudden surge of confidence as the baseline tariffs are still on, China and the US will hit each other hard, and there is still no clear policy, nobody knows what Trump's goal is with this unless it is simple insider trading that explains the whole thing.
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I don't see how any business could make any plans for investment or expenditure in the next 90 days
 
lionking said:
Just when I thought the (few) adults in the room were having an influence on Trump, we have this.

Seriously, would any other world leader of the most insignificant nations waste even a microsecond of time on ◊◊◊◊ like this?

In any case, most non-idiots know you can increase water pressure by removing the filter.
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While I don't necessarily agree with the order, it correctly points out that two previous administrations (Barack Obama's and Joe Biden's; in this case Biden's) expended no small amount of effort into producing a 15,500 word document that concentrates on the definition of "showerhead." See Energy Conservation Program: Definition of Showerhead [PDF]. And that was only part of the effort to reduce water flow. This is an example of the type of inefficiency DOGE is supposed to eliminate, instead of taking a chainsaw to whole agencies.
 
Blue Mountain said:
As of the close of the day on April 9, my positive/negative score on the Trump administration stands at -450.

9 April 2025
+1: Executive Order: Reducing Anti-competitive Regulatory Barriers
+1: Executive Order: Restoring America’s Maritime Dominance
0: Executive Order: Reforming Foreign Defense Sales to Improve Speed and Accountability
0: Executive Order: Zero-based Regulatory Budgeting to Unleash American Energy
0: Executive Order: Modernizing Defense Acquisitions and Spurring Innovation in the Defense Industrial Base
-1: Executive Order: Addressing Risks from Susman Godfrey (Yet another law firm shakedown)
-1: Executive Order: Maintaining Acceptable Water Pressure in Showerheads (-1 for attacking useful regulation)
-1: Trump asks Congress to pass a tax cut bill [138]
-1: Trump pauses tariffs for 90 days (-1 for bumbling inconsistency)
-1: Trump on X: "Up 2500 points. Nobody has ever heard of it. Gotta be a record." (But it has dropped 8,200 since February!)
-1: Trump claims "it’s proven" that the 2020 election was rigged, citing the fact that law firms are giving him money
-1: Trump on the Great Lakes: "I assume the lakes are all interconnected."
-1: Secretary of Transportation Duffy rambles about low-flow shower heads.

I scored two of these orders as positive because on a quick read-though I didn't see any red flags. Three of them are too complicated for me to want to spend the time analyzing them, so I gave them a neutral score. I'll adjust the scores if others are willing to read them carefully and point out problems.

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138. Trump: It is IMPERATIVE that Republicans in the House pass the Tax Cut Bill, NOW! Our Country Will Boom!!!
Republicans, it is more important now, than ever, that we pass THE ONE, BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL. The USA will Soar like never before!!!

139: Secretary of Transportation Duffy: "The president is talking about shower heads. You don't have enough water that can come through your shower heads because of Biden's regulations. So fixing small things like that -- hopefully he's gonna get the dishwashers. Wouldn't it be great if dishwashers worked again?"
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Your first +1 is just removing a raft of necessary health and safety measures to protect US consumers and workers. It is most definitely not a +1.

And the second one is an executive order that has no hope of ever been implemented. The necessary infradtructure has gone and too many of Trampy's backers will ensure it never comes back.
 
Blue Mountain said:
It will come down to whether many important regulations such as the ones you mentioned will be deemed necessary or not. In the current environment, it's uncomfortably possible they will be seen as unnecessary.
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They will be seen as unnecessary. When right wing politicians talk about "reducing regulations to free up businesses" they always mean they want to get rid of necessary protections that stop us from getting ◊◊◊◊◊◊ over from said busenesses.

About the only thing that will be strengthened by this EO is tort law to stop people suing for harms done to them.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Hungary was the only one of the 27 EU member states to vote against imposing tariffs on the US.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban has long been seen as close to President Trump but he also has domestic pressures to consider when it comes to tariffs.

On social media the minister for foreign affairs & trade, Peter Szijjarto, said: “Such measures would cause further damage to European economy and citizens by raising prices. The only way forward is negotiations, not retaliation.”
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Well he's right. It seems like we are watching Tr*mp punch his population in their faces and our leaders are retaliating by punching our populations in their faces.
 
jeremyp said:
Well he's right. It seems like we are watching Tr*mp punch his population in their faces and our leaders are retaliating by punching our populations in their faces.
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i think it's a little more complex than that though. in the long term, allowing the us to dictate the terms of trade by threatening tariffs constantly isn't viable either and also recognizing that, as a long term strategy, negotiations may not work since trump doesn't abide by his word.

even in the short term it may be unwise. if he can threaten tariffs for abiding by the terms of deals in place, including his own trade deals that he made in his last term, break these deals and demand concessions, you can't keep capitulating indefinitely. in 90 days, or even sooner depending on the whims of the mad king, you may be right back where we were.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I don't see how any business could make any plans for investment or expenditure in the next 90 days
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It's more than that. See below:

dirtywick said:
i think it's a little more complex than that though. in the long term, allowing the us to dictate the terms of trade by threatening tariffs constantly isn't viable either and also recognizing that, as a long term strategy, negotiations may not work since trump doesn't abide by his word.

even in the short term it may be unwise. if he can threaten tariffs for abiding by the terms of deals in place, including his own trade deals that he made in his last term, break these deals and demand concessions, you can't keep capitulating indefinitely. in 90 days, or even sooner depending on the whims of the mad king, you may be right back where we were.
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90 days will allow at least some companies to look at their supply lines and try and route them around the USA, but for others it will not be enough time, and for others there will simply not be the capacity in neither raw goods nor manufacturing that can be brought online within 90 days.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
And it took me some time to realise he's beckoning Trump back as he reverses his pickup, presumably suggesting he can lure Trump into making a disastrous mistake.
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Probably inspired by the the late president of Ivory-Coast, Felix Houphouet-Boigny, famous for having said :

"We were on the brink of an abyss, but we've taken a big step forward."
 
Blue Mountain said:
I think you're talking off of cuff here. Which section of the executive order talks about gutting regulations?
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Sec. 15. Improve Procurement Efficiency.
(ii) reductions of the layers of approval needed to execute, build, and improve the vessel acquisition process, including by utilizing commercial acquisition and modular design practices that reduce complexity and prevent frequent changes to ship designs;
(c) identify for elimination excessive requirements, including the number of Government reviews and onerous regulations that add to ship design and acquisition delays; and

Where in the executive order is NAVSEA mentioned?
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Not directly by name but...

Sec. 16. Improve Government Efficiency. Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Department of Government Efficiency shall begin a separate review of the Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security vessel procurement processes and deliver a proposal to the President, through the APNSA for inclusion in the MAP, to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of these processes.


Sec. 19. Shipbuilding Review. Within 45 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of Transportation, and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall conduct a review of shipbuilding for United States Government use and submit a report to the President with recommendations to increase the number of participants and competitors within United States shipbuilding, and to reduce cost overruns and production delays for surface, subsurface, and unmanned programs. This report must include separate itemized and prioritized lists of recommendations for the United States Army, Navy, and Coast Guard and shall be included in the MAP.
 
Apparently suspending the tariffs on everyone but China has made sure that China are now isolated.

8D Chess
 
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