Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Sex segregation was created in recognition of the fact that there are physical differences between males and females which put females at a disadvantage. Females are smaller, weaker and far more likely to be sexually assaulted or perved on by males than vice versa. There is obviously nothing that can be done about this in general, but sex segregation was possible in those circumstances where females are at their most vulnerable - mostly when they are in a state of undress - so that was done.

The difference between granting gay folk equal rights and granting transwomen equal rights (note this is not an issue for transmen) is that the former did not require taking away another group's existing rights.

I have every sympathy for men with gender dysphoria, and genuinely wish there was a way to accommodate this tiny group of men's desire to be treated as women under all circumstances without taking away any of the existing rights of females. I just can't see a way of doing so. And expecting 100% of women to sacrifice their right to sex segregated spaces and sports leagues in order to spare the feelings of less than 1% of men is not just unreasonable, it's blatant misogyny.

When the rights of two different groups of people conflict, one of them is going to end up being hard done by. I'm sorry, but there it is.
 
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Mycroft said:
I just read there may be less than 10 trans athletes in the NCAA out of a half million.
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Because the NCAA is the only governing body of any sports in the whole world, right?
Mycroft said:
How much of a fuss is this issue?
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www.ndtv.com

Female Athletes Lost Nearly 900 Medals To Transgender Competitors: UN Report

Over 600 female athletes across 29 sports have lost medals, sparking ongoing debates on gender inclusivity in sports.
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C. Opportunity for fair and safe competition​
11. Policies implemented by international federations and national governing bodies, along with national legislation in some countries, allow males who identify as women to compete in female sports categories. In other cases, this practice is not explicitly prohibited and is thus tolerated in practice. The replacement of the female sports category with a mixed-sex category has resulted in an increasing number of female athletes losing opportunities, including medals, when competing against males. According to information received, by 30 March 2024, over 600 female​
athletes in more than 400 competitions have lost more than 890 medals in 29 different sports.​

Its not the tiny problem you think it is.

Even more important, opportunities are lost for women to even compete in the first place. Rankings in sport often determine funding and scholarships and therefore the division the athlete ends up in. Divisions are limited in number... For example, the top division for a given sport might be the top 40 rankings, division II could be those ranked 41 to 80, and so on down. Every time a failed male athlete cheats by claiming womanhood to play a in a women's sport, multiple women are pushed out of their rightful divisions into a lower one. This affects which tournaments they can play in, which in turn affects future earnings for professional athletes.

Serial cheat Will Thomas, who claimed womanhood to swim with the girls at UPenn, calling himself "Lia", pushed a girl out of a scholarship that she had worked most of her young life for. She lost that, not because she was physically or performatively deficient in some way, but because a cheat pushed in ahead of her.

An even worse aspect of all this is the way the NCAA and UPenn protected Thomas, and attacked any of the girls who opposed his presence in the team. The girls were threatened with non-selection for events if they showed any dissent, expulsion from university swimming programs if they complained, and termination of their scholarships if they went public with their greivances.

So you ask "How much of a fuss is this issue?" I'll tell you. Just ONE female athlete being disadvantaged by the presence of a biological male in their sport, is one too many.
 
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Mycroft said:
I just read there may be less than 10 trans athletes in the NCAA out of a half million.
How much of a fuss is this issue?
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John Oliver takes the 900 number apart in the latest episode:
Trump’s Tariffs & Trans Athletes (Last Week Tonight with John Oliver on YouTube, April 7, 2025 - 48:10 min.)
John Oliver discusses Donald Trump’s sweeping new set of tariffs and why trans athletes seem to be at the center of U.S. politics.
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The main story is not the one about Trump's tariffs. It is the one about trans athletes, which begins at 4:20. I think it's the longest main story ever on Last Week Tonight.
And apparently, Rowling is one of the terfs who have referred to the 900 number as if it were factual.
As for smartcooky and others: Just ONE trans kid NOT being harassed for participating in sports seems to be too much for some people.
 
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smartcooky said:
Of course, you will be able to point out to me the place(s) in that link which support your claims, namely

- It was argued gay marriage was a "special right".

- Gays already had all the same rights as heterosexuals because they could marry to opposite gender too.

I'll wait.
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I didn't say those things. If you think I did, I invite you to re-read it.
 
theprestige said:
The debate about trans rights in public policy would be very different if it were actually about figuring out accommodations for women with Swyer syndrome.

But it's not about that, and you know it.
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No it's not, but the existence of Swyer Syndrome illustrates it's really not a binary men and women thing. There are times when it's more complex than people being born male or female.
 
smartcooky said:
Because the NCAA is the only governing body of any sports in the whole world, right?
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What? 10 out of a half million is an insignificant number. I assume the ratio would be similar if other sports bodies where to be considered.

www.ndtv.com

Female Athletes Lost Nearly 900 Medals To Transgender Competitors: UN Report

Over 600 female athletes across 29 sports have lost medals, sparking ongoing debates on gender inclusivity in sports.
www.ndtv.com www.ndtv.com

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dann said:
John Oliver takes the 900 number apart in the latest episode:

The main story is not the one about Trump's tariffs. It is the one about trans athletes, which begins at 4:20. I think it's the longest main story ever on Last Week Tonight.
And apparently, Rowling is one of the terfs who have referred to the 900 number as if it were factual.
As for smartcooky and others: Just ONE trans kid NOT being harassed for participating in sports seems to be too much for some people.
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John Oliver is really good at a number of things

Misrepresenting facts.
Using smoke & mirrors to distract from facts.
Cherrying picking and presenting evidence to back up his claim, while ignoring evidence that refutes his claim.
Using what he laughably calls "humour" to humiliate and belittle people with genuine concerns.

While he rightly criticizes the quoting of Lance Armstrong on fairness in sport, its almost as bad as consulting a pathetic, has-been comedian on the subject of sports, and at least Armstrong knows what he's talking about. Also, he does not really "take the 900 number apart" he just cherry picks some of the examples.
 
For those of you who can't access the YouTube video of John Oliver 'cherrying picking', try this one, 42:20. min:
It's the same as the other one except for the segment about Trump's tariffs, which isn't meant to be seen in some countries.
 
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Pixel42 said:
The difference between granting gay folk equal rights and granting transwomen equal rights (note this is not an issue for transmen) is that the former did not require taking away another group's existing rights.
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They said it took away from their rights because it took away from the sanctity of marriage.

We don't agree with that today, but a lot of people did back then.
 
smartcooky said:
Yeah, you did...
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Nope. I said:

"I very clearly remember when it was argued gay marriage was a "special right", and gays already had all the same rights as heterosexuals because they could marry to opposite gender too."

Nowhere in that sentence do I attribute that to you. It was an argument made back in the day, that is very similar to an argument made today. Different people, different context, same bigoted reasoning.
 
Mycroft said:
No it's not, but the existence of Swyer Syndrome illustrates it's really not a binary men and women thing. There are times when it's more complex than people being born male or female.
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Only if you cling to the convenient but simplistic idea that this is all about the Y chromosome. It isn't. It's about the SRY gene, which WOMEN with Swyer's syndrome don't have (at least in a functional form).

Argue about CAIS if you like but Swyer's isn't open for debate.
 
Mycroft said:
Nope. I said:

"I very clearly remember when it was argued gay marriage was a "special right", and gays already had all the same rights as heterosexuals because they could marry to opposite gender too."

Nowhere in that sentence do I attribute that to you. It was an argument made back in the day, that is very similar to an argument made today. Different people, different context, same bigoted reasoning.
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Stop playing silly games by feigning ignorance

- YOU said those things
- I called you out for it
- YOU posted a link to back up YOUR claim
- I asked you show me where in the link it supports the things YOU claimed
 
Mycroft said:
They said it took away from their rights because it took away from the sanctity of marriage.

Like I said...
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smartcooky said:
Nope, that has never been the case. Homosexuals were discriminated against only on religious and moral grounds, at a time when those held sway
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The sanctity of marriages is a religious thing. You just proved my point.
 
Thermal said:
Pump the brakes. Are you saying transwomen don't get raped?
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Mycroft said:
That's a bold assertion. Evidence?
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It's not a bold claim, it's an obvious claim. Just look around. Almost no trans person claims to have DSD. Almost no DSD person claims to be trans. The overwhelming majority of trans people have normal sexual development up until the point they use medical intervention. Nothing about the trans agenda has anything to do with accommodating people with DSD. And having a DSD is pretty much the opposite of self-ID.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?
 
Thermal said:
Pump the brakes. Are you saying transwomen don't get raped?
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No, he isn't. Nor is he saying that men don't get raped. He's saying that we as a society don't provide much support for males (men or transwomen) who get raped. Do you disagree?
 
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