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So what form does the resistance take?

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I've been to four protests since Trump too office.

Antifa/Black bloc type people attend the ones downtown. They help organize them even. But they don't much like federal employees, they see us as cogs in the machine that they want to break down, and they see the 50501 movement as "liberals" which they equate to sellouts. The more loudly self-avowed Antifa/Black Bloc types seem to identify as "leftists", which to them is very different from "liberal" or "progressive". They hate Donald Trump, but they don't have any sympathy for the civil service either. It reminds me of French communists in 1939/40, happy to watch the French government fight with the Nazis and seeing little distinction between the two.

The protest out in the burbs have no Antifa/Black Bloc presence. The 50501/Tesla Takedown people are mostly white women in their 60's and 70's. The downtown leftist protestors are all about carrying red cards with legal advice in case of arrest, planning escape routes to avoid police encirclement, how to react to tear gas deployment, all that. 50501/Tesla Takedown is old people with walkers (literally, and that's no criticism).

ETA: I live in the Denver area. If you are on Reddit, go to r/DenverProtests to see the black bloc people. Still plenty of edgelords there.
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I think I was being unclear (my bad).

I know they are active. They are taking this more seriously and not just treating it like a public throw down anymore.
 
Hail the conquering hero!
James Carville reaping the fruits of not doing a damn thing, which the CNN reporter calls bold for some reason, i.e. it's supposed to be bold to let MAGA do whatever they want and nothing to resist:
Carville: Trump collapse happened quicker than I imagined (CNN on YouTube, Mar 31, 2025 - 9:03 min. )
Legendary Democratic strategist James Carville discusses his bold prediction on the "massive collapse" unfolding inside the Trump administration and how Democrats should respond.
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0.00--> So will the recent signal gate scandal trigger a massive downfall for the Trump administration?
Legendary Democratic strategist James Carville made this bold prediction just a month ago.

Carville: "I believe that this administration, in less than 30 days, in the midst of a massive collapse and particularly a collapse in public opinion."

He recently advised Democrats in a New York Times op ed: Carville: "... to embark on the most daring political maneuver in the history of our country: Roll over and play dead. Allow the Republicans to crumble beneath their own weight and make the American people miss us."
He's a veteran political consultant, co-host of the Politics War Room podcast, and the man behind Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign victory.
So a month ago, here's the full quote of what you wrote, James, in The Times:

Carville "At this rate, the honeymoon, the Trump honeymoon will be over, best case by Memorial Day, but more likely in the next 30 days.
And in November of 2025, we start turning the tide with what will be remembered as one of the most important elections in recent years: the Virginia governor's race."
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Bold and legendary, indeed! He did absolutely nothing to encourage any kind of resistance. On the contrary, he encouraged Democrats to put up with it. And now he takes credit for doing nothing and leaving the resistance to ordinary people and the few Democrats, like Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Tim Walz, who defied his strategy and attempted to kickstart the fight against fascism.

Carville didn't go to a single town hall, to a single Tesla dealership, he told Democrats not to go.
 
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dann said:
Hail the conquering hero!
James Carville reaping the fruits of not doing a damn thing, which the CNN reporter calls bold for some reason, i.e. it's supposed to be bold to let MAGA do whatever they want and nothing to resist:

Bold and legendary, indeed! He did absolutely nothing to encourage any kind of resistance. On the contrary, he encouraged Democrats to put up with it. And now he takes credit for doing nothing and leaving the resistance to ordinary people and the few Democrats, like Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Tim Walz, who defied his strategy and attempted to kickstart the fight against fascism.

Carville didn't go to a single town hall, to a single Tesla dealership, he told Democrats not to go.
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I understand his philosophy, I just totally disagree with it. It's basically the same idea as saying it was a mistake to prosecute Trump on charges that the general public (and especially anyone unaware how evil Trump is) cared very little about, because it gave trump's 'Im the victim of a Democratic witch hunt' credibility. I disagree, I think plenty of people have gone to jail for far less, so I didn't view it as politically tinged prosecution--all criminal charges are 'political' to come degree. But that was not the perception of a lot of voters. So he thinks that by engaging, we are just playing into the TDS narrative. I disagree, I think you have to resist (hence me starting this thread!) But there is a grain of logic to his suggestion.
 
Certainly a large part of the resistance outside the US is exactly what the US has been begging for: for everyone to gear up, lock and load. Only they may just not spend as much on US goods as hoped. The mid and long term implication of this change, assuming survival in the short term, is a real change in who may best exploit economies of scale, which may not sound like much, but can also largely contribute to a permanent shift in the balance of power. More immediate is a change in perceived shared interests. Lo and behold, already Japan, SK and China are coordinating their response to US tariffs.

And that's the real story. Suddenly, so many are now strange bedfellows, refugees from the sudden but sure end of Pax Americana, the shambles of their faith strewn around in broken pieces of the former leader of a formerly(?) free world, now thrown together in uncertainty. And that, the fear, is what the US is now most associated with, at home and abroad. Something wicked this way comes, and it wears the red, the white, the blue.
 
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Certainly a large part of the resistance outside the US is exactly what the US has been begging for: for everyone to gear up, lock and load. Only they may just not spend as much on US goods as hoped. The mid and long term implication of this change, assuming survival in the short term, is a real change in who may best exploit economies of scale, which may not sound like much, but can also largely contribute to a permanent shift in the balance of power.
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Certainly true. For the last three generations Canada has had a policy of close economic cooperation with the USA. It made sense: there's a very large and strong economy sitting right on our very long border, and a country with history of political stability. In just two months Trump's torn all that up and thrown it away.

I'm confident there will be a saner administration following this one, but by that time Canada will be well into a process of reducing its reliance on the USA for its export markets and will be actively cultivating alternatives in Europe, Asia, and South America. I'm hopeful Canada won't be lulled again into putting most of its eggs into the USA basket.
 
I really want to see much closer EU-Canada ties, and for the EU to look kindly upon Greenland's aspirations and to embrace it, too, even as a member state, if and when Greenland becomes independent.
 
dann said:
Hail the conquering hero!
James Carville reaping the fruits of not doing a damn thing, which the CNN reporter calls bold for some reason, i.e. it's supposed to be bold to let MAGA do whatever they want and nothing to resist:

Bold and legendary, indeed! He did absolutely nothing to encourage any kind of resistance. On the contrary, he encouraged Democrats to put up with it. And now he takes credit for doing nothing and leaving the resistance to ordinary people and the few Democrats, like Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Tim Walz, who defied his strategy and attempted to kickstart the fight against fascism.

Carville didn't go to a single town hall, to a single Tesla dealership, he told Democrats not to go.
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James Carville is to Democratic political advice as Henry Kissinger was to U.S. foreign policy back in the day: a famous person the media loves to go to for bad takes they never criticize.

Carville got famous for advising Bill Clinton in his 1992 campaign. "It's the economy, stupid." Clinton's victory was hardly a stunning upset. I get the impression Carville has been largely coasting on undeserved reputation since then.
 
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I really want to see much closer EU-Canada ties, and for the EU to look kindly upon Greenland's aspirations and to embrace it, too, even as a member state, if and when Greenland becomes independent.
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They won’t want to join the EU if they are anything like back when they rejected it last time. The EU is committed to try to protect wildlife, and limit overfishing, and the Greenlanders want none of that. Like most who live off the land, they believe they can manage that much better themselves.
 
steenkh said:
They won’t want to join the EU if they are anything like back when they rejected it last time. The EU is committed to try to protect wildlife, and limit overfishing, and the Greenlanders want none of that. Like most who live off the land, they believe they can manage that much better themselves.
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I rather think they'll consider the benefits more positively in future, perhaps after a decade going solo. Up to Greenlanders, of course.
 
Well Corey Booker just ended his 25 hour marathon anti-Trump rant...*this* is the call to action I've been waiting for. Now, will we heed the call and hit the streets, or stay complacent?
 
Should be massive protests for all the healthcare cuts. Public helath is not "someone else getting something for free." It will benefit all.

Just in the summer of 2023 we had a huge family gathering on my wife's side. One pair of grandparents there cannot see their grandchild anymore, because their daughter was brain washed by MAGA husband. They are protecting the child, who will never go to public school, from the Covid vaccinated grand parents.
 
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stanfr said:
I understand his philosophy, I just totally disagree with it. It's basically the same idea as saying it was a mistake to prosecute Trump on charges that the general public (and especially anyone unaware how evil Trump is) cared very little about, because it gave trump's 'Im the victim of a Democratic witch hunt' credibility. I disagree, I think plenty of people have gone to jail for far less, so I didn't view it as politically tinged prosecution--all criminal charges are 'political' to come degree. But that was not the perception of a lot of voters. So he thinks that by engaging, we are just playing into the TDS narrative. I disagree, I think you have to resist (hence me starting this thread!) But there is a grain of logic to his suggestion.
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There is no grain of logic to his suggestion.
A simpler explanation is that Carville (and the DNCI) just doesn't want resistance; they are more than fine with things as they are and with playing possum - and especially don't want the resistance to make the Democrats go left --> stop global warming i.e. CO2 emissions (the dowside of that for Trump would of course be that the Arctic passage doesn't open up), save social security, medicare for all, unionizing, a minimum wage that enables people to survive on the wage from one job etc, i.e. all the things that the Harris campaign toned down in order to appeal to Republicans. Instead of campaigning on issues like these, Democrats decided to become the old, pre-MAGA Republicans.

This kind of campaign also means that those topics aren't touched upon at all, i.e. the voters were protected from the truth about them, the topics become unimportant, and so does the truth about what Trump would be doing about those things. The focus instead was on the fairly abstract concept of 'Democracy' (and not even on the oligarchs, i.e. the ones who pay for campaigns - we don't want to upset those guys!). Meanwhile, MAGA and Musk could pretend that the Democrats only cared about turning children trans and taking away white men's jobs and giving them to black lesbians and illegal immigrants. It was pretty easy to make it seem as if all the other themes were 'Radical Left' because that's what they actually were: Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (and others from 'the Squad') were shunned by the Democratic establishment. And they are now the ones leading the resistance, much to the chagrin of the DNC that they are disobeying by resting MAGA.

Carville: "I always liked Vice President Cheney." He did indeed, he still does, and his wife used to work for Cheney. Who else in America likes the Cheneys?
No wonder Carville was busy defending Liz Cheney - instead of Sanders and AOC. Cheney (and her dad), right-wing Republicans, had more or less been turned into the Harris running mates instead of Walz while many voters were taught by Trump and Musk to embrace New Weird, who were supposed to be on their side.

If Carville had cared for the topics that actually affect working-class Americans, he would have been talking them and promoting them - instead of Cheneyism.
Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the courage to brawl for the working class (TheGuardian, Mar 23, 2025)
But those workers aren't the ones with the money, and we don't want to upset those guys, do we?!

Bernie Sanders rejects James Carville's calls for Democrats to 'play dead' (MSN.com, Mar 3, 2025)
 
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Tero said:
Should be massive protests for all the healthcare cuts. Public helath is not "someone else getting something for free." It will benefit all.

Just in the summer of 2023 we had a huge family gathering on my wife's side. One pair of grandparents there cannot see their grandchild anymore, because their daughter was brain washed by MAGA husband. They are protecting the child, who will never go to public school, from the Covid vaccinated grand parents.
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'Yes, but we can't tell people the truth about the pandemic, the virus and vaccines. The people with the money don't want us to do that. They only pay for making office workers get back in the office, children and teachers back in school, and customers back in movie theaters, restaurants and bars, and old people down to the undertaker where they belong. Vaccinations, face masks and other measures against the spread of diseases remind people that the diseases are still there, and that hampers money-making.'

That's also why Biden pretended that the pandemic was over. Another one of Biden's 'We are Americans. We can do both.'
The Democrats helped RFK Jr. become Secretary of Health and Human Services and other anti-vaxxers take over other health care institutions even though Trump was the one directly responsible for placing them there.
 
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Absolutely MASSIVE critical protests THIS SATURDAY (David Pakman on YouTube, April 2, 2025 - 7:05 min.)
The Hands Off protests this Saturday, April 5, seems like they will be absolutely massive, potentially the kind of activism that is currently needed
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It appears to pretty much everywhere. Google Hands Off protest Saturday April 5 for your local protest rally (if you're an American).

 
Today's the big day!
Trump in TERROR as PROTESTS ERUPT TODAY (MeidasTouch on YouTube, April 5, 2025 - 9:38 min.)
MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the protests engulfing the country as Trump hides from the American people and golfs. Ben interviews Rahna Epting, Executive Director of MoveOn, one of the major groups organizing today’s activations.
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Interested?!
Go to HandsOff2025, National Day of Action, Saturday, April 5, where they have a HandsOff Find Event page with page after page of events.
Over 1,200 'Hands Off!' demonstrations against Trump and Musk planned across US (FRANCE 24 on YouTube, April 5, 2025 - 1:46 min.)

CNN-News18 will be live streaming:
LIVE: Nationwide Anti-Trump And Musk 'Hands Off!' Protest | Anti Trump Protest 2025 LIVE | N18G

There is already a protest in Paris, France:
Nationwide "Hands Off" anti-Trump protests gather thousands of people (FRANCE 24 on YouTube, April 5, 2025 - 4:20 min.)
Around 1,200 "Hands Off!" protests are planned across the U.S. on Saturday, reflecting growing opposition to President Donald Trump and his billionaire adviser, Elon Musk, over their controversial policy changes. Protests are also organized globally. Bob Vallier, a spokesperson for Democrats Abroad, joins the demonstration at Place de la République in Paris.
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In Copenhagen, the protests won't start until tomorrow:
Tesla Takedown protest at the Tesla Showroom in Søborg on Sunday, April 6, 12:00 to 14:00.
Hands Off Kalaallit Nunaat 🇬🇱 protest at the U.S. embassy, also on Sunday, April 6, 13:00 to 15:00.
Don't Let Your Democracy Die! protest at the U.S. Embassy every Monday, 16:30 to 17:30.
And there's a No to American Bases in Denmark protest at Christiansborg on Friday, April 11, 8:00-17:00.
 
At the moment the resistance takes the shape of massive protests in the US and other countries. Good to see so many people protesting.
 
It'll be hilarious if turnout at these protests exceeds the number of people who voted for Kamala last November.

But why should Trump be sacred of this? The people showing up to these protests are no scarier today, than when they showed up at the polls.

These protests aren't the real resistance. Even if they end up vandalizing and terrorizing their own communities, they won't be the real resistance.

The real resistance is looking to be activist judges, brave bureaucrats, and foreign governments.

But it comical seeing Portland, OR, expressing such outrage at the idea that Trump doesn't know they hate him and wish he would die in a fire.
 
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