I think you're better than that.
Trump's Second Term
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I don’t.
alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
The POSOTUS has to be pissed that Booker took him from the top headline the day before his tariff binge. Oh, and Val Kilmer also. That seems to be a difficult feat nowadays.
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
Not the right thread for this but any benefit of globalization went strictly to the top end of town and to global corporations. Meanwhile, the average family can no longer afford to buy a home - even if they have 2 incomes.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
We now have a bad case of Dutch disease.
Dutch disease - Wikipedia
It is good to open up economies to mutually increase wealth but provision has to be made to not over simplify an economy as well.
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P.J. Denyer
Penultimate Amazing
I think the question is whether she is.
Gulliver Foyle
Philosopher
She's not.
Blue Mountain
Resident Skeptical Hobbit
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
www.wired.com
The timeline is utter madness. It’s difficult to get even a small, simple system from a known start point to production ready in a few months, let alone one that’s grown organically over decades and likely still runs on IBM mainframes. The core system has 60 million lines of COBOL code. An F-35 apparently has only 25 million (but not in COBOL!)
DOGE is hugely underestimating the complexity and timeline. If they use AI for code translation and generation, they could well end up with a code base no human can understand, and thus any fixes will take a very long time. Not to mention routine maintenance as new rules and regulations come in.
As long as “move fast and break things” Musk is running the show, there won’t be safeguards. Musk himself is apparently a piss-poor programmer, and his preference for hiring younger people with little experience doesn’t bode well for a project of this complexity. I really, really doubt this effort will succeed, especially in the proposed time line. The project as currently described could well collapse under its own weight as the inexperienced programmers struggle with its scope and complexity.
"Efficient," this is not. They'll throw millions of dollars into this and end up with an expensive pile of crap.
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
Wired said:
The timeline is utter madness. It’s difficult to get even a small, simple system from a known start point to production ready in a few months, let alone one that’s grown organically over decades and likely still runs on IBM mainframes. The core system has 60 million lines of COBOL code. An F-35 apparently has only 25 million (but not in COBOL!)
DOGE is hugely underestimating the complexity and timeline. If they use AI for code translation and generation, they could well end up with a code base no human can understand, and thus any fixes will take a very long time. Not to mention routine maintenance as new rules and regulations come in.
As long as “move fast and break things” Musk is running the show, there won’t be safeguards. Musk himself is apparently a piss-poor programmer, and his preference for hiring younger people with little experience doesn’t bode well for a project of this complexity. I really, really doubt this effort will succeed, especially in the proposed time line. The project as currently described could well collapse under its own weight as the inexperienced programmers struggle with its scope and complexity.
"Efficient," this is not. They'll throw millions of dollars into this and end up with an expensive pile of crap.
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
Betting Muskrat's Tiger Team of Cracking Hackers won't be able to read the COBOL source code and understand it. Nor the concepts of how that programming language works.DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
The timeline is utter madness. It’s difficult to get even a small, simple system from a known start point to production ready in a few months, let alone one that’s grown organically over decades and likely still runs on IBM mainframes. The core system has 60 million lines of COBOL code. An F-35 apparently has only 25 million (but not in COBOL!)
DOGE is hugely underestimating the complexity and timeline. If they use AI for code translation and generation, they could well end up with a code base no human can understand, and thus any fixes will take a very long time. Not to mention routine maintenance as new rules and regulations come in.
As long as “move fast and break things” Musk is running the show, there won’t be safeguards. Musk himself is apparently a piss-poor programmer, and his preference for hiring younger people with little experience doesn’t bode well for a project of this complexity. I really, really doubt this effort will succeed, especially in the proposed time line. The project as currently described could well collapse under its own weight as the inexperienced programmers struggle with its scope and complexity.
"Efficient," this is not. They'll throw millions of dollars into this and end up with an expensive pile of crap.
For a start, it isn't the least bit object-oriented which they would be used to. The programming concepts and code structures would not lend themselves to OO.
Then there would be all the database interfaces. Probably custom designed and potentially written in another programming language as well, each would need to be individually deconstructed and analysed before a replacement was built.
Finally, given the rank and frank lawlessness pervading DOGE, it will probably be an opportunity to simply funnel all the wealth into Musk's and Trump's pockets.
Gulliver Foyle
Philosopher
Oh yes putting a Randbot in charge of social security mechanisms is going to work so well.DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
The timeline is utter madness. It’s difficult to get even a small, simple system from a known start point to production ready in a few months, let alone one that’s grown organically over decades and likely still runs on IBM mainframes. The core system has 60 million lines of COBOL code. An F-35 apparently has only 25 million (but not in COBOL!)
DOGE is hugely underestimating the complexity and timeline. If they use AI for code translation and generation, they could well end up with a code base no human can understand, and thus any fixes will take a very long time. Not to mention routine maintenance as new rules and regulations come in.
As long as “move fast and break things” Musk is running the show, there won’t be safeguards. Musk himself is apparently a piss-poor programmer, and his preference for hiring younger people with little experience doesn’t bode well for a project of this complexity. I really, really doubt this effort will succeed, especially in the proposed time line. The project as currently described could well collapse under its own weight as the inexperienced programmers struggle with its scope and complexity.
"Efficient," this is not. They'll throw millions of dollars into this and end up with an expensive pile of crap.
ponderingturtle
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This was much more a protest than a filibuster as everything now is assumed to be filibustered and so you need 60 votes to bring anything to a real vote.
The Great Zaganza
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Musk obviously wants to break the US system so that The New World Order has to come in and fix it.
newyorkguy
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Liberation Day.
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azazal
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Any bets on the Dow Jones final numbers at the end of business today?
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
I feel so liberated! I'm going to walk down Main Street naked while playing with myself! I'M LIBERATED!!!
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
COBOL is a relatively simple language. It's also no more archaic than C is. For business needs the reason it's still running is because it works and it works reliably. Newer versions have OO tacked on but you can just ignore that.
The problem is the sheer volume of code. It will be multiple programs that perform multiple tasks. It's not one monolith of 60 million lines. Since it is the US government the scale will be huge. There will be multiple interfaces that have to be integrated.
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a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
I thought Musk knew about rockets because I am not a rocket scientist.DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
The timeline is utter madness. It’s difficult to get even a small, simple system from a known start point to production ready in a few months, let alone one that’s grown organically over decades and likely still runs on IBM mainframes. The core system has 60 million lines of COBOL code. An F-35 apparently has only 25 million (but not in COBOL!)
DOGE is hugely underestimating the complexity and timeline. If they use AI for code translation and generation, they could well end up with a code base no human can understand, and thus any fixes will take a very long time. Not to mention routine maintenance as new rules and regulations come in.
As long as “move fast and break things” Musk is running the show, there won’t be safeguards. Musk himself is apparently a piss-poor programmer, and his preference for hiring younger people with little experience doesn’t bode well for a project of this complexity. I really, really doubt this effort will succeed, especially in the proposed time line. The project as currently described could well collapse under its own weight as the inexperienced programmers struggle with its scope and complexity.
"Efficient," this is not. They'll throw millions of dollars into this and end up with an expensive pile of crap.
I thought Musk knew about electric cars because I am not an engineer.
I knew Musk was a lying fraud when he talked about software, because I know about that.
Ditto for gamers.
Hercules Rockefeller
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DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
The timeline is utter madness. It’s difficult to get even a small, simple system from a known start point to production ready in a few months, let alone one that’s grown organically over decades and likely still runs on IBM mainframes. The core system has 60 million lines of COBOL code. An F-35 apparently has only 25 million (but not in COBOL!)
DOGE is hugely underestimating the complexity and timeline. If they use AI for code translation and generation, they could well end up with a code base no human can understand, and thus any fixes will take a very long time. Not to mention routine maintenance as new rules and regulations come in.
As long as “move fast and break things” Musk is running the show, there won’t be safeguards. Musk himself is apparently a piss-poor programmer, and his preference for hiring younger people with little experience doesn’t bode well for a project of this complexity. I really, really doubt this effort will succeed, especially in the proposed time line. The project as currently described could well collapse under its own weight as the inexperienced programmers struggle with its scope and complexity.
"Efficient," this is not. They'll throw millions of dollars into this and end up with an expensive pile of crap.
I know **** all about programming, but how hard can it be to write code that transfers all the funds to an off-shore account and then deletes everything when done?