Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

When I say gender, I mean "sex". I think any distinction is a bit silly as do most Americans.

I am a male. That's all. Should be pretty obvious what I mean.
The distinction between sex and gender is relevant not only for the issue of trans folk, but also for how any society’s expectations of men and women might differ from another society’s.
 
Sorry guys, but when most people on this planet ask if he is a guy or a gal, they want to know if the person has a vagina or a penis. They are not asking what is the person's gender role expression.

I know this does not comply with the logic and agenda of the Harvard Berkeley Princeton elite system, but this is the way it is. And there is nothing extreme about it. This is the way all humans have been from the beginning of time up until about 10 years ago.
 
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The scientific community knows better than you, and wishes people could educate themselves on the matter....
This is not about science, it's about sociology and modern social constructs.

Up until a very recently there was no difference between sex and gender. It's a pretty new idea, one that may go the way of the dodo. Seeing no difference between sex and gender is as obvious and logical as day and night.
 
And the idea was bouncing around long before him. Men lived and dressed and presented themselves as women throughout the annals of history. It's true. You can look it up and everything...
Yes and that is exactly what they were: men who lived and dressed as women. But underneath the clothing they were still men. The whole world understood this until about 10 years ago.
 
This is not about science, it's about sociology and modern social constructs.
That's funny, because you've been relying entirely on facial hair, and chromosomes and other physiological attributes up.till now. Suddenly it's all a social construct? If you say so. Then it becomes really easy: how you socially identify and present are the attributes that determine gender.
Up until a very recently there was no difference between sex and gender.
It's been a half century, scooter. You know what else we didn't have a half century ago? The Web. Cellular Smartphones. I suppose they don't exist for you either?
It's a pretty new idea, one that may go the way of the dodo. Seeing no difference between sex and gender is as obvious and logical as day and night.
Not to either science or sociology. Both are fine with the social and scientific distinctions.
 
Sorry guys, but when most people on this planet ask if he is a guy or a gal, they want to know if the person has a vagina or a penis. They are not asking what is the person's gender role expression.
Lol, you are seriously ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up, man. When I ask if someone is a guy or gal, it's so I can recognize them based on their gender roll ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ expression. I don't care in the slightest what is actually between their legs, unless I plan to ◊◊◊◊ them, in which case I usually already know.
I know this does not comply with the logic and agenda of the Harvard Berkeley Princeton elite system, but this is the way it is. And there is nothing extreme about it. This is the way all humans have been from the beginning of time up until about 10 years ago.
Your continued assertions continue to be factually wrong. Repeating them, while ignoring argumentation, does not do anything productive.
 
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That's funny, because you've been relying entirely on facial hair, and chromosomes and other physiological attributes up.till now. Suddenly it's all a social construct? If you say so. Then it becomes really easy: how you socially identify and present are the attributes that determine gender.

It's been a half century, scooter. You know what else we didn't have a half century ago? The Web. Cellular Smartphones. I suppose they don't exist for you either?

Not to either science or sociology. Both are fine with the social and scientific distinctions.
Gender, being separate from sex, is a social construct. Sex, is not.

Trans-women do not qualify as women based on the scientific understanding of what is a woman. Woman, being human sex.

When most people on this planet ask "is it a man or a woman?", they are not asking about gender expression. They're asking the person has a penis or a vagina aka man or woman.
 
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Gender, being separate from sex, is a social construct. Sex, is not.

Trans-women do not qualify as women based on the scientific understanding of what is a woman. Woman, being human sex.

When most people on this planet ask "is it a man or a woman?", they are not asking about gender expression. They're asking the person has a penis or a vagina aka man or woman.
....aaaaaand your back to ignoring posts and repeating yourself. I'm out.
 
I think a trans person can be treated for all intents and purposes as what they think they are, with three exceptions: medical treatment (non negotiable, really), shared intimate spaces, and competitive athletics.....
Many people would say that your position is incredibly bigoted against trans people. If you truly believe that trans women were in fact women and should be treated equal to biological women, you would not allow for any discrimination whatsoever. So they say..
 
Many people would say that your position is incredibly bigoted against trans people.
Many would. Many others would say Jesus will cast me to Hell, too. But I don't give a ◊◊◊◊ what these hypothetical people would say, because it was you and I discussing it. Or more accurately, it was me discussing it and you ignoring posts and repeating yourself. Which gets boring fast.
If you truly believe that trans women were in fact women
I do not, nor did I say so. See? The written word is not your strong suit.
and should be treated equal to biological women, you would not allow for any discrimination whatsoever. So they say..
You can freely discriminate in a variety of circumstances without being a bigot. A gynecologist can say they will not perform an exam on a fully transitioned transwoman, because the hardware is not their department. Yet they are not bigoted at all. That's why the arguments of your hypothetical debaters falls flat.

Also they are imaginary and not in fact ITT. So there's that.
 
Many would. Many others would say Jesus will cast me to Hell, too. But I don't give a ◊◊◊◊ what these hypothetical people would say, because it was you and I discussing it. Or more accurately, it was me discussing it and you ignoring posts and repeating yourself. Which gets boring fast.

I do not, nor did I say so. See? The written word is not your strong suit.

You can freely discriminate in a variety of circumstances without being a bigot. A gynecologist can say they will not perform an exam on a fully transitioned transwoman, because the hardware is not their department. Yet they are not bigoted at all. That's why the arguments of your hypothetical debaters falls flat.

Also they are imaginary and not in fact ITT. So there's that.
You don't want trans women to participate in women's professional sports. Many people call that bigotry.
 
Transwomen are men. Men should not be competing against women in athletics. Most people call that common sense. Sport is played by bodies, not by nebulous lady-feelz.
 
Well, I believe you said earlier he was masturbating? That is obviously not true, or the people around him are remarkably casual about it.

You're seeing what you want to see, facts be damned.
I’m going to say that even if Eddie Izz ard, I think he izzn’t wanking.

In fact, I would say that is a pretty ludicrous assumption to make.

I’m nonetheless disappointed in him. I used to like his comedy (the quality dropped off a while back as much of the recent stuff I’ve seen just seems to be mash-ups of his past shows), and he seemed to be very clear that he was a man who liked to wear women’s clothes. Nothing wrong with that, of course. But declaring that actually he’s a woman and needs to use the ladies seems to make a nonsense of that.
 

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