Trump's Second Term

We watch much fewer MSNBC shows now. It is fairly easy to catch up to Trump just in one hour. And then I need to distract myself. Read a book. But I wonder how the hosts are holding up. It was bad enough in 2017 for them and us. But it must be wearing down a lot of news people. And congress. All they are doing is hearings. Congress is not going to pass much. Trump is the contractor and has contract killers. No need to involve congress.
 
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Aridas said:
There's something to be said about the fact that plenty of Republicans do hold to actual principles that are decent. The Republican Party, however, seems to be rather intent on demonstrating that that means nothing beyond being a smokescreen for their bad behavior.
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The question then becomes how you differentiate between a "republican" and a member/supporter of the "republican party".

Someone who votes republican for president/congress even though they claim they "don't like Trump"?

Someone who doesn't vote for Trump but still votes for republicans in congress (thus helping elect those who support/enable Trump)

Someone who doesn't vote for ANY republicans at this point, but is still a registered republican? (which means they aren't directly supporting Trump or the republican, but you are still giving moral support for Trump and his klan by giving a false indication of republican strength)

Someone who used to be a party member and/or voted republican in the past, but has since left the party , and are just hoping the party regains some sanity?

To some of us, anyone who falls in the first 2 categories shouldn't be counted as those that adhere to 'decent' principles (and the third is borderline) because they are in effect 'aiding' trump.
 
Segnosaur said:
Someone who doesn't vote for ANY republicans at this point, but is still a registered republican? (which means they aren't directly supporting Trump or the republican, but you are still giving moral support for Trump and his klan by giving a false indication of republican strength)
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What does this even mean?


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Segnosaur said:
The question then becomes how you differentiate between a "republican" and a member/supporter of the "republican party".

Someone who votes republican for president/congress even though they claim they "don't like Trump"?

Someone who doesn't vote for Trump but still votes for republicans in congress (thus helping elect those who support/enable Trump)

Someone who doesn't vote for ANY republicans at this point, but is still a registered republican? (which means they aren't directly supporting Trump or the republican, but you are still giving moral support for Trump and his klan by giving a false indication of republican strength)

Someone who used to be a party member and/or voted republican in the past, but has since left the party , and are just hoping the party regains some sanity?

To some of us, anyone who falls in the first 2 categories shouldn't be counted as those that adhere to 'decent' principles (and the third is borderline) because they are in effect 'aiding' trump.
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A Republican is simply someone who is registered as such. As individuals, their beliefs and values can vary quite a bit. Plenty of Republicans are intelligent, decent, and hardworking people, for that matter. That they've been tricked into turning off their brains when it comes to politics, specifically, often has much to do with why otherwise great people fall for con men and cults in general. To give a nod to a point that dudalb tried to make, there really are plenty of Republicans who do care about National Security and have fallen for Republican Party cons on the subject. The Republican Party pretense of support for National Security just gets more and more ridiculous by the day, of course, and dudalb wishfully hoping that more and more of those tricked will come to their senses and at least pressure their representatives successfully isn't wrong or bad. That it's not something to trust will actually matter or have meaningful effect is an entirely valid counterpoint, of course, given a bunch of factors. Not least of those factors is that plenty of Republicans aren't intelligent, decent, and/or hardworking people and that the Republican politicians tend to pander to the indecent, first and foremost.
 
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Aridas said:
There's something to be said about the fact that plenty of Republicans do hold to actual principles that are decent. The Republican Party, however, seems to be rather intent on demonstrating that that means nothing beyond being a smokescreen for their bad behavior.

As for dudalb, he just pulled one of his usual stunts - hyperbolically attacking the left rather than actually addressing points raised in disagreement. Personally, I've yet to be impressed by this tactic of his any time I've seen it, but meh.
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What if they don't walk like a goose or honk like a nazi?

Seems kind of stupid to insult people who are on your side, although, I have to admit that most (if not all) of my fellow republicans in congress ARE stupid, lying idiots.


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No crap, 40 year republican here, but I vote for the ideals, not for any political party. The RINO incarnate from the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ 80's, and it ain't got no better. This political party needs to die NOW. It's a joke, a bad political pun portrayed to the populous.

Insult everyone, if you can't take it then a free society ain't what you're after.

Sides, ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, express you options and let others do theirs, no boarders. We are all one, it is divestment, selling parts of ourselves or our community that they are after. 'Screw everyone else', 'wait, what, I'm not them'.

We're all them to them (sociopaths, being one of them myself, both the former and the latter)


Sorry for using your posts as a jumping off point.










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Sorry for using your posts as a jumping off point.
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Well, I don't know if you're referring to my post specifically, but I have no problem with you using it.

Personally, I also have no problem with free speech or insulting people, because as anyone can see by my many posts, I insult the maga weirdoes constantly, or anyone who lies or uses blanket statements to make their point.

Blanket statements are usually (if not always) prevaricated fabrications.

I HATE liars and willfully stupid and ignorant adults who think critical thinking skills are for "other" people and not them.

BTW, my definition of a maga weirdo is anyone who believes every lie the fat clown tells, like he's some kind of god or something. Here's an example: while posting on a fox entertainment forum, I ran across a bunch of sick idiots who were cheering the terrorist who were trying to kill Taylor Swift fans like they were heroes. IMO, that is beyond disgusting.


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Nope, not referring to your post in any form (why the last line you quoted). Just, evidently, a kindred (still registered as such) republican spirit.

The RINOs ain't us.
 
The Man said:
Nope, not referring to your post in any form (why the last line you quoted).
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Ok, my mistake, but in my defense, it wasn't easy to tell who you were referring to when you apologized at the end.


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No problem.

It's hard being an actual or just registered republican, these days. As I've said before I only joined the party to vote in the primaries. 40 odd years later and primary vote schedules conflict with my work schedule such that the last primary I was able to vote in was 2016 and the puke still got the party nomination.

Still do local election voting as much as I can (12 hr shifts) as they are more of direct import to every day life.
 
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It isn't that the app is insecure, it's that it is unsecured. There is a difference. If a device or app has been secured, then it has been through the rigor of being tested and approved for storage and transmission of security-cleared information. This is an official process undertaken and overseen by expert information security professionals. Signal has not been through that process and is therefore an unsecured app.

You can't store Secret or Top Secret clearance information in an unsecured safe, or hard drive, or app. That was the problem. People at that level of government should know basic information security procedures, and they either had no idea or ignored them. I only had a Secret security clearance and I knew what was required of me. If I had breached those requirements I would have been immediately sacked, my clearance would have been revoked, and I would have faced criminal charges and a potential lengthy prison sentence. These jokers did much worse and so far, no consequences.
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Excellent reply. Thanks for providing the insight. There's also the fact the chats were probably done on their personal devices, which could have been off-the-shelf and thus not guaranteed to be secure. It's uncomfortably easy to get spyware on to Android devices, and a fair bit harder on iOS.
 
The Man said:
No problem.

It's hard being an actual or just registered republican, these days. As I've said before I only joined the party to vote in the primaries. 40 odd years later and primary vote schedules conflict with my work schedule such that the last primary I was able to vote in was 2016 and the puke still got the party nomination.

Still do local election voting as much as I can (12 hr shifts) as they are more of direct import to every day life.
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I understand. There's a reporter here in Seattle, Dan Savage (he's gay and writes for an alternative paper, The Stranger, that specializes in the local gay scene), who's also a registered republican just so he can vote in the primaries and raise hell with the local republicans when we had caucuses. No one would ever call him a nazi, except maybe some of the willfully stupid and ignorant people here.


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