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Ed Self-Driving Cars: Pros, Cons, and Predictions

Evaluate Self-Driving Cars on a scale of 1-5 (1 = Terrible, 3 = Meh, 5 = Great)

  • 1

    Votes: 10 6.6%

  • 2

    Votes: 11 7.2%

  • 3

    Votes: 24 15.8%

  • 4

    Votes: 28 18.4%

  • 5

    Votes: 79 52.0%
  • Total voters
    152
  • Poll closed .
The Great Zaganza said:
Don't worry.
Before Tesla goes bust, Musk will transfer all of Twitter's and SpaceX's debt to it.
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Question is will he be allowed to???

Tesla is a publicly listed company- and he isn't a god (although he likes to think he's one lol)- he can be taken off the board at any time (and with his current unpopularity with many of the major investors- that might be soon indeed...)

Any attempts to transfer money out could see him in court...
 
Klimax said:
Did you see my ETA2? At the time of test of Cybertruck brightness of image wall was wrong. Might have made it more visible to system.
(As for break braking mistake, I shouldn't have been posting at night. I know the difference yet a I chose wrong word. Sigh.)
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No, I posted before you made the second edit. I have no clue, I just find the subject interesting. Although, it seems to me that painted walls are not really a likely hazard in real life. The more important consideration will be whether a system can be developed that is significantly, reliably and demonstrably safer than human drivers. It's never going to be possible to eliminate all accidents.

I'm a moderator on an EV motoring forum and I seem to spend half my life correcting "break" to "brake". And very occasionally the other way round.
 
Klimax said:
ETA: Got it wrong. Skipped around too mcuh with no sound. I missed then that author of video had to break himself because Tesla did not see the wall. He validated original video.

ETA2: Forgot. Later tests had problem of wrong brightness. That might have helped Cybertruck to spot it. That part of video would need a redo.
See this subthread:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1902854254228070777
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Yep, it casts a very visible shadow on the wall in the recreation.
 
Dabop said:
At this point, Tesla is toast...
Their stock is plummeting, their sales have fallen off a cliff, their reputation is horrible and their biggest shareholder is pushing for Musk's involvement with the company to be terminated...
:ROFLMAO:

All this will will severely impact on their ability to finance any further improvements and its doubtful that they will even be able to survive...

As for LIDAR, their prices have been dropping (they were a small manufacturing number run, so of course that pushes up the price significantly)

Be interesting to see if other manufacturers go the LIDAR or camera route- or a combination of both, or neither...

(personally I can't see many wanting a 'self driving car' if it is significantly more expensive than a non self driving version- and reliable emergency braking systems have been in use in trucks for years, so why reinvent the wheel???)

2 mins long, from Volvo- seven years ago...
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My Jag had collision avoidance 20 years ago.
 
Dabop said:
All Jags are sold as 'low mileage'- mostly because they spend most of their time sitting at the mechanics....
:ROFLMAO:
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... who are selected at birth, and have piano weights tied to their fingers.

By the time they are old enough to start their apprenticeships, they have endured many years of increasingly heavier weights, resulting in fingers that are abnormally long, with sufficient strength to reach and manipulate all the nuts and bolts that have been placed in impossible places on Jaguars.
 
Dabop said:
All Jags are sold as 'low mileage'- mostly because they spend most of their time sitting at the mechanics....
:ROFLMAO:
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I'm reminded of an old joke about relative ideas of reliability. It goes something like:

Person 1: My Honda is so reliable it just went 150 thousand miles without opening the hood.

Person 2: That's nothing. My Jaguar is so reliable I drove it across the country and it only caught fire once.

Of course I'm one to talk. I once drove a Jeep ("just empty every pocket") and have had a couple of Fords too ("fix or repair daily"). Now I have a GMC truck ("gives mechanics conniptions")
 
Dabop said:
All Jags are sold as 'low mileage'- mostly because they spend most of their time sitting at the mechanics....
:ROFLMAO:
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It's okay though because if you drive a Jaaaaagggg and the engine goes you just 'borrow' an engine from someone else.
 
You are all philistines. I only ever had one problem with my Jaguar XKR, it was the electronics pack, it went faulty after about 6 months, fixed entirely under warranty in about 48 hours.

ETA: It wasn't really fixed or repaired - they simply replaced the whole unit, must admit that for some reason the garage didn't seem that surprised that a (back then) £60k car developed such a fault so quickly.
 
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www.theguardian.com

‘Raring to go:’ the German remote-driving firm that hopes to make private car ownership redundant

Europe has been slow to embrace robotaxis but Germany will allow remote-controlled rental cars from December
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this is a rather clever concept for the future of taxis and trucks:

drivers are remote controlling the vehicles, sitting in a control room not entirely different from large drone operators. They can hand control over to others if they need a break. They can have regular hours. They are safe from unruly customers, making it better for women drivers in particular.
And for Truck drivers the benefit is obvious when you can get back to your family each day, and for the companies that the trucks could be driven 24/7.
 
Rolfe said:
There's also the issue that people like to own their own cars, and don't like other people driving them. Or driving around in them. This may change, but I don't think it will change very fast. I would expect self-driving to be implemented first in privately-owned cars, and people getting gradually more confident to read or sleep in the car while they're being driven, and to ask the car to drop them at their destination then go off and find a parking space and come back for them at a set time or when called for. I think there will be a period where that's the model before there's much hiring out of these cars during their down time.
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Why am I thinking of the Seinfeld episode "The Beast"?
 
There was a report on Radio 4 a few months ago about people driving cars with lane assist having to fight with their cars through motorway roadworks where the old lane markings were being "seen" by the system.

As I'm sure has been already said in this thread a number of times, these systems will work fine except when you really need them to.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
There was a report on Radio 4 a few months ago about people driving cars with lane assist having to fight with their cars through motorway roadworks where the old lane markings were being "seen" by the system.

As I'm sure has been already said in this thread a number of times, these systems will work fine except when you really need them to.
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I had the same situation here, except it was me I was fighting trying to decide which way to go.

What we really need is to not have roadworks screwing up motorways. That will never happen though, so the next best thing is to consider the needs of self-driving systems. This could include such things as temporarily painting over incorrect road markings, standardized signage, and supplying up to date map info for cars to access.

But of course that won't happen either, so the only practical solution is AI trained on as many miles as possible. Tesla is getting there. FSD (supervised) has just been released in Australia and New Zealand. Today I watched a video of a Tesla driving 'hands free' down a single lane dirt road in Australia with no markings and trees casting shadows over the road. It worked perfectly, including easing left to let an oncoming car go by. The 'driver' and passenger were talking about other stuff, completely at ease with letting the car drive itself.

In few years time we will look back at post like yours and recognize them for what they are - pure Ludditism.
 
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