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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

Trausti said:
My dude:

NYC will pay out $1.8 billion to minorities who failed ‘racist’ teacher test
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Just to be clear about something... the quoted above in no way supports your claim immediately prior.
Yeah. That's like saying voter ID is racist because Black people don't know how to get IDs.
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Also, that was such a dishonest and actually used take on that topic that it deserves being called out, whether or not you intended it ironically. From the start, those Republican Voter ID laws have been a worthless solution to something that's still yet to be shown to be a notable problem in the first place, let alone deserving of the Republican conspiracy theory madness on the topic, and weakens election integrity overall, despite brazen Republican propaganda lies. It's been little other than voter suppression, in practice. As for it disproportionately affecting minorities and low income populations? Of course it does. For example -

Discriminatory and prejudicial ID practices pose major challenges for certain groups and are often rooted in decades of history. During the Jim Crow era, many Black people were denied access to certain hospitals, and many were never given a birth certificate. As such, communities of color are especially likely to lack a driver’s license.


While only 8% of white Americans do not have a driver’s license, 21% of Black Americans and 23% of Hispanic Americans do not have access to this form of ID. Consequences of this are numerous, but one striking example is that 13.8% of Black households lack a checking or savings account compared to just 2.5% of white households. IDs are required to open these accounts.
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It's an added burden that rich white Republicans have worked to put into place that very disproportionately affects non-whites and the poor, mostly affecting Democratic-leaning groups overall, but affecting a significant number of Republicans, too. Also, yes, driver's ID tend not to be the only form of ID accepted, but that belies the larger point that it's an added burden that's a net negative all around. A burden that's led to large numbers of legitimate voters being stripped of their right to vote. Example -
The report highlighted a set of studies in Kansas that found “in just the first four years after the state implemented its voter registration law in 2013, over 63,000 people were blocked from registering to vote,” almost all of whom were eligible to vote.
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That versus the number of in person voter fraud cases addressed, in comparison? Study after study has concluded that In Person Voter Fraud is incredibly rare - the chances of a person getting hit by lightning is likely to be greater. This is part of a larger and really obvious pattern, of course.

Republicans in Georgia also nefariously exploited voter IDs. In 2017, the state passed a law requiring an “exact match” between an individual’s name on their ID and on their voter registration. The next year, over 51,000 people were flagged — 80% of which were Black, Latino or Asian — and the discrepancies were as small as John versus Johnathan. A lawsuit led to the law being overturned in 2019.
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There's lots more along the lines of Republican efforts to disenfranchise legitimate voters, of course, but to sum things up a bit -

Numerous studies have shown that strict photo ID requirements to vote depress turnout and disproportionately harm certain communities, including voters of color and young voters.
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You could easily try to argue that the effect, in practice, is small, of course, and might even be correct. That doesn't even remotely excuse the actual intent, though.
Over the past few years, it has become almost a cliché for Republicans to slip up and admit that voter ID laws and other voting restrictions aren’t really about combating voter fraud (an extremely rare phenomenon), but rather about making it harder for Democratic constituencies — mainly, black and brown voters — to vote. The New York Times has a good list of these Republican slip-ups.
Take how one longtime Republican consultant put it to William Wan at the Washington Post:
Longtime Republican consultant Carter Wrenn, a fixture in North Carolina politics, said the GOP’s voter fraud argument is nothing more than an excuse.

“Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?” he said, explaining that Republicans, like any political party, want to protect their majority. While GOP lawmakers might have passed the law to suppress some voters, Wrenn said, that does not mean it was racist.

“Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”
This is simply deplorable. It’s a direct admission that voter restrictions are politically motivated attempts to disenfranchise black voters. People’s constitutional rights are being messed with for political gain. (It’s no wonder a federal judge struck down parts of North Carolina’s voter ID law, concluding it “target[ed] African-Americans with almost surgical precision.”)
The admission is made worse by America’s long history of attempting to suppress black voters. For civil rights groups, voter ID and other new restrictions call back to the days of poll taxes, literacy tests, and other rules — not to mention violence — that were used to block minorities from voting until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 effectively banned such laws and tactics. Like modern voting restrictions, the old laws didn’t appear to racially discriminate at face value, but due to selective enforcement and socioeconomic disparities, they disproportionately kept out black voters.
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To wrap this back around to DEI, though, because much the same applies to both that and DEI -

Are there real problems with how DEI has been implemented in the US? Absolutely.
Should the problems be corrected and a watchful eye kept on DEI pushes to make sure they don't go overboard? Absolutely.
Is the Republican Party going after DEI to fight racism, fix the problems, or increase fairness? Hell no. The Republican Party has been pandering to and engaging in racism at least since the Southern Strategy for the sake of political power. The attacks on DEI are just part of that. They've actively worked to make the problems worse and make things less fair in ways that they think favor them all around, so those reasons are laughable, too.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Lawyers for the plaintiffs brought in experts who testified that much of the discrepancy in scores could be attributed to some of the questions being culturally biased in favor of whites,” the Post reported.
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Note the weasel words.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Not by you claiming that experts said it was discriminatory. You haven’t presented the actual arguments those experts provided to the judges.

It doesn’t matter at all in this forum.
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This forum is not the real world. The real world was convinced.
 
Aridas said:
Just to be clear about something... the quoted above in no way supports your claim immediately prior.

Also, that was such a dishonest and actually used take on that topic that it deserves being called out, whether or not you intended it ironically. From the start, those Republican Voter ID laws have been a worthless solution to something that's still yet to be shown to be a notable problem in the first place, let alone deserving of the Republican conspiracy theory madness on the topic, and weakens election integrity overall, despite brazen Republican propaganda lies. It's been little other than voter suppression, in practice. As for it disproportionately affecting minorities and low income populations? Of course it does.
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You gotta be joking me with this. If there was a sincere concern that lack of ID prevented certain groups from accessing services or voting, then the solution should be to make getting an ID easier. ID is absolutely essential for modern life. But that's never on offer from the "voter ID is racist" crowd. Gotta keep these "marginalized" groups oppressed for the talking points.

 
Trausti said:
You gotta be joking me with this. If there was a sincere concern that lack of ID prevented certain groups from accessing services or voting, then the solution should be to make getting an ID easier. ID is absolutely essential for modern life. But that's never on offer from the "voter ID is racist" crowd. Gotta keep these "marginalized" groups oppressed for the talking points.

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Oh, yes. A Fox News bit by Ami Horowitz. So very convincing. What's next? An O'Keefe piece?:rolleyes:

To be clear on the subject, though, there's three main points to be made. First, more accessible and universal ID would be great, as a general matter. Free and easy, in particular. Second, Democrats do work to make voting and services in general more accessible, while still remaining secure and there is strong bipartisan support for requiring high schools to provide state IDs for those without driver's licenses, though Democratic support is noticeably higher, much to the contrary of your pretense there. Third, the Republican Party in general have not only consistently failed to demonstrate that said voter ID laws work to make elections more secure in the first place in any meaningful way whatsoever, they've been caught lying and dissembling on the subject, over and over and over, and been repeatedly caught engaging in voter fraud by other means than that much touted voter ID on top of that. There's every reason to believe that whole subject is being raised in very, very bad faith.

I think that it's perhaps worthy of noting that jumping to a top down approach of just tossing around ID when it comes to voting is a bit premature, though. Education is probably a more meaningful starting point, I think. It's unfortunate how many people are mistaken about their own state's voting laws. On a quick check, more than half of people who live in voter ID required states apparently think that their state doesn't require such or just don't know, for example.
 
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These pieces of ◊◊◊◊ think every Black person is a DEI hire, DEI service person, or DEI student. They even called the Vice President a DEI hire.

For Republicans, the assumption is ALWAYS that POC, women, disabled people and LGBTQ people have always taken what belongs to White Christian Men.
 
Another black MOH award, Dwight H. Johnson has been erased altogether.
Link to his citation now just says "Bad Request"

They are completely erasing history.

For the record his citation is on his Wikipedia page. There's a whole movie in there.

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Specialist 5 Johnson, a tank driver with Company B, was a member of a reaction force moving to aid other elements of his platoon, which was in heavy contact with a battalion size North Vietnamese force. Specialist Johnson's tank, upon reaching the point of contact, threw a track and became immobilized. Realizing that he could do no more as a driver, he climbed out of the vehicle, armed only with a .45 caliber pistol. Despite intense hostile fire, Specialist Johnson killed several enemy soldiers before he had expended his ammunition. Returning to his tank through a heavy volume of antitank rocket, small arms and automatic weapons fire, he obtained a sub-machine gun with which to continue his fight against the advancing enemy. Armed with this weapon, Specialist Johnson again braved deadly enemy fire to return to the center of the ambush site where he courageously eliminated more of the determined foe. Engaged in extremely close combat when the last of his ammunition was expended, he killed an enemy soldier with the stock end of his submachine gun. Now weaponless, Specialist Johnson ignored the enemy fire around him, climbed into his platoon sergeant's tank, extricated a wounded crewmember and carried him to an armored personnel carrier. He then returned to the same tank and assisted in firing the main gun until it jammed. In a magnificent display of courage, Specialist Johnson exited the tank and again armed only with a .45 caliber pistol, he engaged several North Vietnamese troops in close proximity to the vehicle. Fighting his way through devastating fire and remounting his own immobilized tank, he remained fully exposed to the enemy as he bravely and skillfully engaged them with the tank's externally-mounted .50 caliber machine gun; where he remained until the situation was brought under control. Specialist Johnson's profound concern for his fellow soldiers, at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself and the United States Army.
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What next, chisel names off the wall at Arlington?

Dig up their bones and throw them in a dumpster?
 
Susheel said:
I thought the army was about getting people to work together regardless of racial prejudices towards a common objective. Perhaps the exercise was to ensure that either party would be able to shake off their prejudices and come together. How would your attitude translate in a conflict situation where you may not have a choice about who you are working with...would you say "I would rather have a white guy beside me?" Why did you feel you couldn't get along? Was it because the other person wasn't like you? Was it the "other guys fault" you couldn't get along?
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The army is a mess of poo, conspiracy and intrigue. And yes, my African American roommates didn't like me. they gave me a blanket party where whey whipped me with coat hangers, and one tried to burn me with cigarettes. They then went to the CO to complain that I attacked them and since they had rank, I had to go before the CO. Oh yeah, I had bruises from choking, so the complaint went nowhere.
 
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A new Marine Corps policy says troops with a genetic skin condition that can cause pain and scarring from shaving and mainly affects Black men can be separated if the health issue persists.

The "interim guidance" issued Thursday gives military health care providers 90 days to reevaluate Marines diagnosed with pseudofolliculitis barbae, or PFB. If they don't recover based on a four-phase treatment program outlined in the message, have to remain on a shaving waiver for more than a year, and a commander deems it fit, the Corps can administratively separate them "due to incompatibility with service," according to the message.

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Marines with Skin Condition Affecting Mostly Black Men Could Now Be Booted Under New Policy

A new Marine Corps policy says troops with a genetic skin condition that can cause pain and scarring from shaving and mainly affects Black men can be separated if the health issue persists.
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Andy_Ross said:
A new Marine Corps policy says troops with a genetic skin condition that can cause pain and scarring from shaving and mainly affects Black men can be separated if the health issue persists.

The "interim guidance" issued Thursday gives military health care providers 90 days to reevaluate Marines diagnosed with pseudofolliculitis barbae, or PFB. If they don't recover based on a four-phase treatment program outlined in the message, have to remain on a shaving waiver for more than a year, and a commander deems it fit, the Corps can administratively separate them "due to incompatibility with service," according to the message.
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That's insane, everybody knows it's not how cleanly you shave that makes you a good soldier! It's how shiny you can get your boots!
 
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