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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

I notice that Boghossian is contributing to an upcoming book edited by Lawrence Krauss. His fellow contributors include Richard Dawkins, Jerry Coyne, Stephen Pinker, and yes, Jordan Peterson. Plus a bunch of other names from the so-called "Intellectual Dark Web".

From Hemant Mehta's blog, linked above:



I mean, just in case you're still wondering why I dismissed Boghossian as an impartial reporter.
But as you well know there have been attacks on free speech and outright lies from corrupted disciplines in academia over the Cass report (which eviscerated your own views on gender medicine), so what exactly are you trying to attempt here?
 
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From Hemant Mehta's blog, linked above:

Mehta describes the list as "a litany of right-wing grievances" but I have concerns about every item on it, and I'm a life long socialist. They're minor concerns compared to those raised by the Trump administration's assault on climate science, vaccines etc, but that doesn't mean they need not be discussed and addressed. Anything which calls into question the integrity of the scientific process is concerning.
 
Mehta describes the list as "a litany of right-wing grievances" but I have concerns about every item on it, and I'm a life long socialist. They're minor concerns compared to those raised by the Trump administration's assault on climate science, vaccines etc, but that doesn't mean they need not be discussed and addressed. Anything which calls into question the integrity of the scientific process is concerning.
Mehta dismisses a book without having readi it. Arth dismisses Boghossian because he coauthored a chapter of the book that neither he nor Mehta has read. This is the state of skepticism in 2025.
 
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Mehta dismisses a book without having readi it. Arth dismisses Boghossian because he coauthored a chapter of the book that neither he nor Mehta has read. This is the state of skepticism in 2025.
The book hasn't been released, so of course he hasn't read it. He's reasonably critiquing priorities, and the pseudo-scholarship underlying some of the claims that some of these authors have made. This is all well within the standard of conduct for critical thinkers. We are not obligated to blind ourselves to motivation or past performance.
 
The book hasn't been released, so of course he hasn't read it. He's reasonably critiquing priorities, and the pseudo-scholarship underlying some of the claims that some of these authors have made. This is all well within the standard of conduct for critical thinkers. We are not obligated to blind ourselves to motivation or past performance.
Actually, it is just the ad hominem fallacy. It used to be that you'd get called out for it. But you're right that it is now standard conduct—but not of critical thinkers, but rather of those who have forgotten what that means.
 
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Trump has declared war not just on DEI in hiring, but also on celebrating diversity in the workplace.

What is SOOOO wrong with recognizing Black History Month, or Holocaust Remembrance Day, or St. Patrick's Day, or Columbus Day, Steuben Day, etc etc?
 
Actually, it is just the ad hominem fallacy. It used to be that you'd get called out for it. But you're right that it is now standard conduct—but not of critical thinkers, but rather of those who have forgotten what that means.
No, that's just incorrect. The ad hominem fallacy is committed when some person A asserts a proposition (ie, a claim of fact) and that proposition is rejected (or, for that matter, accepted) on the basis of some real or alleged character trait of A.

There is no general obligation to engage with bad faith actors, and we'd all be a lot busier if there were. If I say, "Well, I know from past experience that that guy's full of ◊◊◊◊, I'm not going to waste my time reading what he has to say," that's a perfectly reasonable heuristic to employ.
 
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This:



 
Mehta dismisses a book without having readi it. Arth dismisses Boghossian because he coauthored a chapter of the book that neither he nor Mehta has read. This is the state of skepticism in 2025.
It's even worth than that.

The book has been completed and all the stuff that Mehta is saying that the authors should be writing about happened after the book was completed. Mehta is just buthurt that his woke religion is about to get yet another curb stomping.
 
Mehta dismisses a book without having readi it. Arth dismisses Boghossian because he coauthored a chapter of the book that neither he nor Mehta has read. This is the state of skepticism in 2025.
Actually I dismiss Boghossian because he is a long term dickhead, scientific hoaxer, and associate of some extremely toxic people. But it's cute that you think there was just one reason.
Actually, it is just the ad hominem fallacy. It used to be that you'd get called out for it. But you're right that it is now standard conduct—but not of critical thinkers, but rather of those who have forgotten what that means.
Um, actually it's the genetic fallacy. I guess this is the standard of skepticism these days.
It's even worth than that.

The book has been completed and all the stuff that Mehta is saying that the authors should be writing about happened after the book was completed. Mehta is just buthurt that his woke religion is about to get yet another curb stomping.
Lol. Keep telling yourself that.
 
No, that's just incorrect. The ad hominem fallacy is committed when some person A asserts a proposition (ie, a claim of fact) and that proposition is rejected (or, for that matter, accepted) on the basis of some real or alleged character trait of A.

There is no general obligation to engage with bad faith actors...
How about assuming someone is acting in bad faith without even knowing what their have to say?
 
It's even worth than that.

The book has been completed and all the stuff that Mehta is saying that the authors should be writing about happened after the book was completed.
Yep. I also know that Lawrence Krauss submitted a note-in-proof to the publisher explaining that, although I haven't heard whether the publisher agreed to include it in the book.
 
Actually I dismiss Boghossian because he is a long term dickhead, scientific hoaxer, and associate of some extremely toxic people. But it's cute that you think there was just one reason.
Too bad for you that you prefer to ignore people you don't like, rather than listen to their arguments (even when they are just moderating a discussion and not making arguments themselves). But I get it: it's more comfortable.
 
No response @Ziggurat ???
The only reason for the military to give ethnic affinity groups their own clubs is if you're going to field ethnic affinity formations.

Ethnic affinity formations have military value, but it's pretty limited. Counter productive, even, especially in a melting pot society.

A military is much better off if its recruits are made to set aside their civilian affinities, and join their brothers and sisters in arms in the one affinity group they have in common: military service. The military should be abolishing ethnic divides, not reinforcing them.
 
The only reason for the military to give ethnic affinity groups their own clubs is if you're going to field ethnic affinity formations.

Ethnic affinity formations have military value, but it's pretty limited. Counter productive, even, especially in a melting pot society.

A military is much better off if its recruits are made to set aside their civilian affinities, and join their brothers and sisters in arms in the one affinity group they have in common: military service. The military should be abolishing ethnic divides, not reinforcing them.
And what about federal agencies no longer honoring or celebrating Black History month, Holocaust Remembrance Day, St Patricks Day, Columbus Day? Why spit on our beautiful diversity?
 

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