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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

Well now the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that they are all - or even a majority of them - are harmful.
No. There is no burden of proof on me, because I obviously haven't made any claim. I was explaining why your claim that there need be only one "baby" was false. Work on your reading comprehension, your understanding of logic, or if necessary, look up the definition of the word "if."
 
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All this assumes that open recruitment/selection processes are totally unbiased and are not prone to gender and race-based bigotry. That somehow an incompetent white dude will not be favored over a more competent non white, christian, male. Let's face it, recent events have shown quite clearly that such bigotry exists in the US to quite a significant degree. It is also quite safe to say that the current DEI purges specifically targets primarily non-white christian males.
 
All this assumes that open recruitment/selection processes are totally unbiased and are not prone to gender and race-based bigotry. That somehow an incompetent white dude will not be favored over a more competent non white, christian, male. Let's face it, recent events have shown quite clearly that such bigotry exists in the US to quite a significant degree. It is also quite safe to say that the current DEI purges specifically targets primarily non-white christian males.
Everything is "safe to say" when you feel free to make unevidenced claims.
 
Realistically, having someone of "Native American" background as a priority when trying to get a study done in the Navajo Nation is kind of overlooking some reality. I mean, "Native American" is a really big category... it's like saying "Someone of Asian Ancestry" to do a study on Korean restaurants - Mongolians, Sri Lankans, and Indonesians are all "asian", but are not useful when you're talking to people who are Korean. Sending in a Seminole or an Inuit is probably worse than sending in some run of the mill researcher who happens to be low on melanin.

More importantly, however, is that there's genuinely no need to have someone of "Native American" background at all. What you *do* need is to coordinate with the Bureau or Indian Affairs and the Navajo Tribal Council to get approval.

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It really irritates me when the proponents of DEI and all sorts of other approaches to minority advancement make the supremely short-sighted mistake of just assuming people can be easily slipped into a categorical group based on their skin color, and absolutely fail to grasp the importance of culture and tradition that really ought to be foremost. FFS, I live in an area with a high "hispanic" population... but they're not all the same, and in many cases they have long-standing gripes with each other. It's useful to know whether you're talking to people with a Mexican background or a Guatemalan background. If you live in South Florida, you sure as hell better be able to adapt and switch between culturally appropriate behaviors for Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Colombians, as well as be able to grasp that Brazilians don't even speak ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ spanish!​
Seriously, the way some of you white people casually group together all black people, as if "black people" is some useful characterization that has meaning beyond the superficiality of skin color is really frustrating. High melanin people with roots in Atlanta are not identical to those with roots in Detroit, who are not identical to those with roots in LA. And not a one of those bears any meaningful similarity to people who are first or second generation immigrants from Senegal!​
Some of the people most obsessed with DEI are the absolute worst about putting people into neatly labeled little boxes with no actual understanding of those people at all. It's sorting by largely superficial means and it's incredibly discriminatory - all in the name of opposing discrimination. Even all white people end up lumped together into one huge pile without any actual knowledge being employed, as if someone from Appalachia and someone from San Francisco are totally the same, let alone someone from Nova Scotia or Minnesota.​
DEI-advocates really need to stop pre-judging people based on their surface-level attributes​
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That would be awesome if it were reasonable. Part of what we're seeing is that some people refuse to make the distinction at all, and just assume that anything that calls itself DEI is definitionally good and noble.
I haven't been paying attention to this topic, but I decided to check on this and saw your post.

Basically, you're wrong.

I was picking a hypothetical community to make the point you insist on missing. I know that these groups are not homogenous. Anyone who has spent time in the latin community in Chicago will see that. My wife's Mexican friends had opinions about Argentinians and her Argentinian friends had opinions about Mexicans. They are not one group. Similar in Native American communities.

But the point is that when you are hiring someone who is going to knock on doors and ask to come in and take a sample of their tap water, and ask a bunch of questions, it is advantageous to be a person who is familiar with, understands, and is likely to be trusted by the community in which they are going to be working. If I were to give real world examples, I'd probably go to the latin and black communities in Chicago who don't particularly trust some white guy who knocks on their door wanting to look inside their house. (I've also had (lesser) contact with some tribes from which to base my impression.)

Hell, you actually state my point right here:
If you live in South Florida, you sure as hell better be able to adapt and switch between culturally appropriate behaviors for Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Colombians, as well as be able to grasp that Brazilians don't even speak ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ spanish!
It has nothing to do with melanin and everything to do with culture.

And no, getting permission from the tribal council would not be enough. If it was outside work, rivers and drainage ditches yes, but we are talking about private property.
 

...on Saturday, as the schoolboy fight video from the Oval Office metastasised across the globe, Forbes reported that Manhattan asset management firm State Street was the latest quiet abandoner of gender and ethnicity targets.

Why is this especially interesting? Well, because for International Women's Day in 2017, during Donald Trump's first term, State Street commissioned and installed the now-famous "Fearless Girl", a four-foot bronze statue of a pig-tailed lass staring down the NY Stock Exchange, which the company extolled as an artistic manifestation of its commitment to diversity.

The Fearless Girl's plinth bears an exhortation to "Know the power of women in leadership," confirming her status for State Street circa 2025 as "110kg of regrettable tattoo".

And look — something had to give, to be fair.

In the recently concluded era when diversity and inclusion were cool, the male ranks of CEOs among America's 500 biggest companies fell to a frightening low of 90 per cent. There were even, at one point in 2023, nine African American CEOs in that hallowed number.
 
Well, considering the heavy influence of racial and gender biases in hiring processes, how sure are you that the white dude hired is actually meritorious? Do you have any evidence of DEI hires who have been shown to be less competent than the white dudes hired through the general process?
 
Well, considering the heavy influence of racial and gender biases in hiring processes...

Please document the present-day "heavy influence of racial and gender biases in hiring processes," if you can; then I will respond. If you can't, then admit that there is no such present-day "heavy influence of racial and gender biases in hiring processes."
 
This has already been thrashed out earlier and it's just dumb right-wing virtue signalling.
It's not been "trashed out" whatsoever - its been ignored by the poster who tried to do the erasing and calling out the erasure of actual lesbians by members of this forum is the opposite of right-wing virtue signalling
 

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