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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

At John Deere's annual shareholders meeting today, shareholders overwhelmingly rejected an anti-DEI proposal brought by the same group that targeted Costco and Apple. An anti-DEI proposal from the NCPPR received less than 1 percent of votes.

Deere shareholders: DEI is in. Bigots are out
 
www.theguardian.com

Pride Toronto loses corporate funding as Trump’s DEI purge has chilling effect

Canadian event loses three sponsors who also do business in the US to avoid being seen as supporting LGBTQ+ rights
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Pride Toronto, one of the largest celebrations of LGTBQ+ people in North America, is reeling from the loss of three major sponsors who have pulled funding after Donald Trump’s purge of diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the US.

Kojo Modeste, the executive director of the Canadian event said that the sponsors who also do business in the US are seeking to avoidbeing seen as supporting LGBTQ+ rights.

“There is a level of fear that has been instilled into them by [Donald Trump’s] administration,” he said.

Modeste did not say which sponsors had dropped out, as the event – which attracts more than 3 million attendees – may want to work with them in the future.

He said the funding cuts would not impact the quality or size of the festival, but expressed fears the episode could mark a broader rollback for LGBTQ+ funding.

“This could lead to some significant changes that could have a huge step back for the [LGBTQ+] community globally,” he said.
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The ultimate non-DEI environment I've experienced was in the upper reaches of the old City of London.

They hired on merit alone and as long as you went to the right public school, Oxbridge, and had a close relative already on the board then you met their criteria. Strangely enough this meant that the recruits were very homogeneous.

On the trading floor where performance actually mattered, they cast the net a little wider. Many of the traders came from a working class background and were "duckers and divers" but there was a clear understanding that while they could make serious amounts of money, they'd never make it up the greasy pole. It felt a lot like senior NCOs on the trading floor and a bunch of "Ruperts" in the senior positions.
 
Hegseth disqualifies all transgender troops.

"Service members who have a current diagnosis or history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with, gender dysphoria are disqualified from military service."

"Service members who have a history of cross-sex hormone therapy or a history of sex reassignment or genital reconstruction surgery as treatment for gender dysphoria or in pursuit of a sex transition, are disqualified from military service.”
 
Andy_Ross said:
Hegseth disqualifies all transgender troops.

"Service members who have a current diagnosis or history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with, gender dysphoria are disqualified from military service."

"Service members who have a history of cross-sex hormone therapy or a history of sex reassignment or genital reconstruction surgery as treatment for gender dysphoria or in pursuit of a sex transition, are disqualified from military service.”
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Having a serious mental issue that makes you want to lop of perfectly working parts of your body probably should preclude you from military service
 
That's what I already posted.
Andy_Ross said:
A plan of specific steps or measures to deter DEI programs or principles (whether specifically denominated “DEI” or otherwise)that constitute illegal discrimination or preferences. As a part of this plan, each agency shall identify up to nine potential civil compliance investigations of publicly traded corporations, large non-profit corporations or associations, foundations with assets of 500 million dollars or more, State and local bar and medical associations, and institutions of higher education with endowments over 1 billion dollars

(v) Litigation that would be potentially appropriate for Federal lawsuits, intervention, or statements of interest; and

(vi) Potential regulatory action and sub-regulatory guidance.

Federal Register :: Request Access

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Trausti said:
It's entirely unclear why a person's race or sex should have anything to do with equal opportunity. You can't measure opportunity by outcomes.
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The term "racism" was coined to express the concept you are working on. Google "slavery", "US Civil War", "colonialism", "ethnocentrism"... or read the headlines of newspapers at the time of the civil rights movement, especially prior to the Civil Rights Act, the piece of legislation that no Trumpling is mentioning out loud, but whose practical impact is in their sights and under massive fire.
 
I am not a fan of DEI but that’s the side I am on. Probably going to go to the library and get a book to read on black liberation theology if I have time
 
The this is not dei arguement is not a winning arguement because it means different things to different people. Some are doing great ◊◊◊◊ while others are just doing ◊◊◊◊. Each one telling the other that is not true dei
 
MinnesotaBrant said:
The this is not dei arguement is not a winning arguement because it means different things to different people. Some are doing great ◊◊◊◊ while others are just doing ◊◊◊◊. Each one telling the other that is not true dei
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The problem is that the people in charge are getting rid of both the people who are doing great ◊◊◊◊ and the people who are just doing ◊◊◊◊. They are not making any kind of distinction. All DEI, ◊◊◊◊ or otherwise, is bad and must be ended.

That's the problem. There are babies in the bathwater. But the anti-DEI activists don't care about the babies. Won't someone think of the babies?
 
arthwollipot said:
The problem is that the people in charge are getting rid of both the people who are doing great ◊◊◊◊ and the people who are just doing ◊◊◊◊. They are not making any kind of distinction. All DEI, ◊◊◊◊ or otherwise, is bad and must be ended.

That's the problem. There are babies in the bathwater. But the anti-DEI activists don't care about the babies. Won't someone think of the babies?
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The pro-DEI activists also don't care about the babies.

You're also falling into progressive-totalitarian trap, assuming that absolute central government is the end all and be all of civic life.
 
arthwollipot said:
The problem is that the people in charge are getting rid of both the people who are doing great ◊◊◊◊ and the people who are just doing ◊◊◊◊. They are not making any kind of distinction. All DEI, ◊◊◊◊ or otherwise, is bad and must be ended.

That's the problem. There are babies in the bathwater. But the anti-DEI activists don't care about the babies. Won't someone think of the babies?
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I'm thinking you're just making up the babies. What's your evidence for the existence of any "great" DEI that is affected by Trump's anti-DEI executive order?
 
arthwollipot said:
All it takes is one baby.
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That's obviously false. If there were, say, one beneficial DEI program amongst a sea of harmful ones, then getting rid of all of them would be a net benefit.
arthwollipot said:
Oh look.
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If you are claiming that clubs that separate military cadets by race are beneficial to an enterprise that depends on cohesion between members of a unit of different races, then, let's just say that is a claim that is going to need some good evidence to hold up.
 
jt512 said:
That's obviously false. If there were, say, one beneficial DEI program amongst a sea of harmful ones, then getting rid of all of them would be a net benefit.
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Well now the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that they are all - or even a majority of them - are harmful.
 
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