Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

kookbreaker said:
So expect yet another Diablo clone trying to be even more edgy?

I think its almost an assembly line at this point.
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Alternately, games like Postal, where you can pee on anyone, only with a story of righteously fighting against murderous immigrant gangs that are trying to take over the US and against evil liberals in elementary schools that are brainwashing and forcing elementary school kids to have sex change surgeries. Maybe with a finale as the MC stops Jewish space lasers from being used to burn down the White House, with a bit of noble Russian help to save the US.
 
Aridas said:
Alternately, games like Postal, where you can pee on anyone, only with a story of righteously fighting against murderous immigrant gangs that are trying to take over the US and against evil liberals in elementary schools that are brainwashing and forcing elementary school kids to have sex change surgeries. Maybe with a finale as the MC stops Jewish space lasers from being used to burn down the White House, with a bit of noble Russian help to save the US.
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How have you managed to find out what Musk entered into his Grok prompt?
 
i mean, there’s definitely some “woke” pandering in gaming, but so what? the woke have money, they’re few and far between, and those games don’t sell. they’re niche or when they’re triple, unless the game is good, they get roasted. baldurs gate 3 was woke but good, veilguard not so much.

the anti-woke bs though is worse. look at the daily wire film studio or whatever tim allen is up to for example.
 
i agree with most everything in that video

as it relates to the video, towards his points about parasites at the end it brings to mind that elon musk doesn’t give a ◊◊◊◊ about video games, as he’s demonstrated through his behavior multiple times. this demographic he’s targeting to manipulate into supporting him does, and so he panders to them because they hate the woke and don’t want them in media. and they’re doing it not because they have great ideas they can’t express or are being suppressed in some way, but to censor ideas they don’t like. so they love that musk took over twitter to censor the woke and thinks he’ll do the same for video games. they love to be pandered to by basically anyone and accept them uncritically if they check a few boxes. it’s really that stupid.

and if you want to know how far back it goes, look into steve bannon’s involvement in gamergate. it’s crazy how that sprouted this little cottage industry of pandering to the anti-woke for ad money from social media sites. which itself sprouted this whole little cancel culture war ad revenue stream for them. and the funny part is they never see it for what it is.
 
I still remember a time (only a little over a decade ago or so) when game publishers actively prevented developers from including same-sex romances in their games.

And how did the "gaming community" react against this continued blatant censorship and assault on creative freedom? They didn't. Most didn't seem to care.

So forgive me if I find the outrage about the "woke" absolutely laughable.
 
I remember not too long ago when people were pushing for more female protagonists in games and people were up in arms about it. I remember this one dude in a comments thread who got really, genuenely mad about it. Gaming has a long and troubled history of basement shutins with... Troubling views of girls and women and their portrayal in games.

Sad thing is, originally (as far as I've understood) gaming was for both boys and girls. Then for some reason advertisers started to exclusively target boys in their marketing, and video games became a boys' pastime. For some reason.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I remember not too long ago when people were pushing for more female protagonists in games and people were up in arms about it. I remember this one dude in a comments thread who got really, genuenely mad about it. Gaming has a long and troubled history of basement shutins with... Troubling views of girls and women and their portrayal in games.

Sad thing is, originally (as far as I've understood) gaming was for both boys and girls. Then for some reason advertisers started to exclusively target boys in their marketing, and video games became a boys' pastime. For some reason.
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I was a game developer around the 16-bit era and that's not how I experienced it. Almost all the developers were men in their late teens or early twenties, mostly self-taught programmers, artists and animators. We were keen gamers ourselves, culturally very homogenous and we were making the games we wanted to play. The marketers were constantly trying to figure out how the tap the female market, which they assumed to be at least as big as the male market, but they had no idea how games were made, and were somewhat powerless to steer or even understand the male developers enough to make a success of it. When I left the industry there had already been years of trying to recruit more women with very little success.
 
Shrinker said:
I was a game developer around the 16-bit era and that's not how I experienced it. Almost all the developers were men in their late teens or early twenties, mostly self-taught programmers, artists and animators. We were keen gamers ourselves, culturally very homogenous and we were making the games we wanted to play. The marketers were constantly trying to figure out how the tap the female market, which they assumed to be at least as big as the male market, but they had no idea how games were made, and were somewhat powerless to steer or even understand the male developers enough to make a success of it. When I left the industry there had already been years of trying to recruit more women with very little success.
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Spot on.
 
Darat said:
Spot on.
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Agreed. I was on the scene a bit later; there was a steady stream of hopeful signs of wider appeal on the fringes of gaming while the "hardcore" segment just kept getting more hardcore. Early on, Myst seemed to lead toward a more widely accessible game style, because it didn't require constant struggle just to move through the game world. But the game play, finding hidden codes and solving puzzles, still mostly tested players' willingness to beat their heads against a wall. The entire "CD-ROM game" industry followed that lead into a blind alley. MMO games start out with wide varieties of options ("I leveled by crafting!") but over time the developers' attention remains focused on raids and other hardcore features as the only way to maintain player interest long term. In the early oughts there were endless "women in gaming" seminars in the casual games industry, but it appears that market has been mostly ceded to the "free to download" segment with a financial model based on addictive behavior, which is somewhat easier to elicit in males.

(My gig was interactive storytelling... which it turns out, besides being fiendishly difficult to create, almost no one in any market segment actually wants.)

As far as woke, I was writing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Saga">gender-ambiguous second-person character encounters</a> in the late 1980s. The goal (not really possible but we tried) was to not attract attention to it, rather than to highlight it.

My point is, the imagination space Musk thinks he can discover or rediscover has been scoured for half a century. If he's capable of getting playable games developed at all, what's he going to do, make first person shooters where the only female characters are damsels to rescue? A sausage fest MMO? He'll discover that it takes a lot more effort to play a modern computer game than to like an alpha-misogynist tweet, and the market will be fatally limited.
 
I'm trying to figure out the whole "woke in gaming" line of thought. The last few really popular games that I played were the God of War's, Ghost of Tsushima, and MLB the Show '24. About the closest I can see of anything "woke" was in baseball where they introduced female players and did a long walkthrough of the more well-known Negro League players. Which is a bit more history than anything woke.

Maybe I just don't know what "woke" means but I didn't see any of it in GoT or either of the GoW's.
 
mostly like it’s if there’s a gay or black guy

legitimately the whole i’m non-binary in veilguard was ridiculously ham fisted, but that’s about extreme of an example as it gets. but i view that the same as people who talk about trans in women’s sports. like yeah it’s a nuanced topic, but people trying to exclude the trans aren’t doing it from a place where they care about women’s sports, anymore than they do woke stuff in gaming. they have their own agenda, and it’s as ham fisted and cringe when they do it.

the video posted up thread lays this out really nicely imo better than i can do it.
 
yeah you get gay and other hit on a lot in that game. like, oh this mind flayed invited me to a gay picnic.

but you can just say no thanks and move on with the game. which when i think about it gives conservative people pleasers a lot of anxiety.
 
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