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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

Über-woke PBS has announced that it has shuttered its DEI department, firing its two DEI executives. A whistleblower leaked to The Free Press plans at PBS to circumvent Trump's orders banning DEI at organizations receiving federal funding by hiding the DEI execs in another department. But following inquiries by The Free Press, PBS fired them instead.
 
arthwollipot said:
True, but anti-DEI programs outlaw it.
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No they don't. Please for the love of all things rational stop making crap up. You're engaged in actively disseminating disinformation - you ARE the propaganda machine.

The EOs didn't outlaw DEI, they removed DEI training and inculcation from federal jobs. They don't outlaw employers being able to hire a diverse staff, nor provide equitable and inclusive workplaces... but they do limit the degree to which federal entities can forcibly shove an ideology down their employee's throats, and the prohibit preferential hiring on the basis of race & ethnicity, sex, religion, etc.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
No they don't. Please for the love of all things rational stop making crap up. You're engaged in actively disseminating disinformation - you ARE the propaganda machine.

The EOs didn't outlaw DEI, they removed DEI training and inculcation from federal jobs. They don't outlaw employers being able to hire a diverse staff, nor provide equitable and inclusive workplaces... but they do limit the degree to which federal entities can forcibly shove an ideology down their employee's throats, and the prohibit preferential hiring on the basis of race & ethnicity, sex, religion, etc.
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The vibe is, don't touch DEI unless you want a war on woke ◊◊◊◊ storm to strike you from X.
 
Emily's Cat said:
No they don't. Please for the love of all things rational stop making crap up. You're engaged in actively disseminating disinformation - you ARE the propaganda machine.
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This is called "transference".
Emily's Cat said:
The EOs didn't outlaw DEI, they removed DEI training and inculcation from federal jobs. They don't outlaw employers being able to hire a diverse staff, nor provide equitable and inclusive workplaces... but they do limit the degree to which federal entities can forcibly shove an ideology down their employee's throats, and the prohibit preferential hiring on the basis of race & ethnicity, sex, religion, etc.
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It's cute that you believe that. Or it would be if it weren't for all the minorities that are going to be hurt by it.
 
arthwollipot said:
This is called "transference".

It's cute that you believe that. Or it would be if it weren't for all the minorities that are going to be hurt by it.
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All you do is make stuff up. You have no evidence that any minority will be harmed by the elimination of DEI.
 
jt512 said:
All you do is make stuff up. You have no evidence that any minority will be harmed by the elimination of DEI.
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Tut Tut. You didn't say "elimination of quote unquote DEI programs as they are commonly implemented in the US." So Arth can still legitimately claim that he's (ideally) right and you're (ideally) wrong.
 
theprestige said:
Tut Tut. You didn't say "elimination of quote unquote DEI programs as they are commonly implemented in the US." So Arth can still legitimately claim that he's (ideally) right and you're (ideally) wrong.
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I would change "legitimately" to "imaginatively."
 
Evidence that any minorities WILL be hurt by "elimination of DEI?"
Woohoo, evidence in support of FUTURE events? My, the patriotists sure do live in a dizzying world. Must be fun, like riding a free roller-coaster.

Until they start to puke.
 
arthwollipot said:
I can show you plenty of evidence that minorities were harmed before DEI. Whether you accept that what happened before DEI will happen after it is gone is up to you.
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Actually, it's up to you to defend your claim that things that happened before DEI will return just because DEI is abolished. Not only is correlation not causation, you don't even have correlation. Jim Crow laws (to take one of your examples) were repealed long before there was anything called DEI (hence no correlation, much less causation). Since DEI had nothing to do with the abolition of Jim Crow, it is preposterous to believe that the abolition of DEI will bring back Jim Crow.
 
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jt512 said:
Actually, it's up to you to defend your claim that things that happened before DEI will return just because DEI is abolished. Not only is correlation not causation, you don't even have correlation. Jim Crow laws (to take one of your examples) were repealed long before there was anything called DEI (hence no correlation, much less causation). Since DEI had nothing to do with the abolition of Jim Crow, it is preposterous to believe that the abolition of DEI will bring back Jim Crow.
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Some of us can see the writing on the wall. Some of us can see the reasons why (white male cis hetero) leaders are going after DEI.

First they came for the trans people and I spoke up because I've read the rest of the mother ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ poem.
 
arthwollipot said:
Some of us can see the writing on the wall. Some of us can see the reasons why (white male cis hetero) leaders are going after DEI.
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So, you just kinda "know" what's going to happen. You can feel it. Kinda like how some people know that Jesus is their savior. They can just feel it.
 
jt512 said:
So, you just kinda "know" what's going to happen. You can feel it. Kinda like how some people know that Jesus is their savior. They can just feel it.
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Oh come on. You're better than this. It's not hard to predict future trends, especially when the current trendline is so ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ obvious.
 
arthwollipot said:
Oh come on. You're better than this. It's not hard to predict future trends, especially when the current trendline is so ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ obvious.
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So, so far your evidence for your belief is "the writing on the wall" and an unspecified "current trendline." If your belief was based on sound reasoning, you'd be able to articulate that reasoning.
 
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