Does the Shroud of Turin Show Expected Elongation of the Head in 2D?"

bobdroege7 said:
To help him escape death.
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Since you won't answer the question why you're invoking the Qur'an, is your argument the perennial conspiracy theory that the disciples faked Jesus' death so that they could later pass him off as having resurrected?

You keep dropping tidbits of some larger argument, but you won't say what it is.
 
JayUtah said:
It most certainly was, and included the astute observation that a chi-squared analysis is inappropriate for continuous data. What was your answer to that?
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Then why was the calculation done in the original paper.

Are you claiming the original authors of the radiocarbon dating paper were ignorant that the test they published was inappropriate?
 
JayUtah said:
Since you won't answer the question why you're invoking the Qur'an, is your argument the perennial conspiracy theory that the disciples faked Jesus' death so that they could later pass him off as having resurrected?

You keep dropping tidbits of some larger argument, but you won't say what it is.
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I believe I have already answered that. So he could show the disciples his wounds and that he was either still alive or resurrected.

It fits better that he was still alive rather than resurrected.
 
@bobdroege7 : You have bluntly said that the image was not supernaturally generated, nor painted on. Care to explain what it is, then? It's really all that matters.

Eta: if it's supernaturally generated, all bets are off regarding radiocarbon dating and the rest. I mean, magic does 'whatever' to physical stuff, right?

So if it's not supernatural, it's a piece of artwork. While researching it's origin is academically interesting, it ain't all the big deal it's being made out to be.
 
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bobdroege7 said:
Here is the paper with the statistics, how about you address that instead of asking me to study some stats.


"An X^2 test value 8.43 > 5.99 states that there is a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between the results of the 3 laboratories. From the X^2 test result, one can determinate the % significance level : 2.718^-(8.43/2) = 1.3 %. From this test, one may conclude, that the probability of obtaining, by chance alone, a scatter as high as that observed for the Shroud, is only 13 in 1000. Because we assume all radiocarbon dates to be correct, we must conclude, that the SMALL samples, taken at the same place, do not have the same radioactivity and are not REPRESENTATIVE for the Shroud."
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How about you address your previous assertions regarding he prevalence of herringbone weave in first century Palestine and the certainly of the presence of Middle Eastern limestone on the shroud?
 
catsmate said:
How about you address your previous assertions regarding he prevalence of herringbone weave in first century Palestine and the certainly of the presence of Middle Eastern limestone on the shroud?
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Is Syria close enough?
 
JayUtah said:
It most certainly was, and included the astute observation that a chi-squared analysis is inappropriate for continuous data. What was your answer to that?
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"Wah, wah, wah, magic god energy, invisible patch, contamination, the Archbishop switched the threads."
The usual.
 
catsmate said:
How about you address your previous assertions regarding he prevalence of herringbone weave in first century Palestine and the certainly of the presence of Middle Eastern limestone on the shroud?
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medievalshroud.com

Limestone on the Shroud

Much exaggeration has been written about the ‘dirt’ allegedly found on the feet, knees and nose of the image on the cloth, derived from no more than a grain of rock found on a single st…
medievalshroud.com
 
bobdroege7 said:
I believe I have already answered that. So he could show the disciples his wounds and that he was either still alive or resurrected.
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But you're claiming it was the disciples who helped Jesus fake his death. In your theory, who is trying to fool whom?

Also, please—at long last—tell me why you're quoting the Qur'an's account of Jesus' death.
 
bobdroege7 said:
medievalshroud.com

Limestone on the Shroud

Much exaggeration has been written about the ‘dirt’ allegedly found on the feet, knees and nose of the image on the cloth, derived from no more than a grain of rock found on a single st…
medievalshroud.com
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This simply repeats the claims that Catsmate debunked. You have to expend original thought and not just post knee-jerk links.
 
bobdroege7 said:
Then why was the calculation done in the original paper.
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The calculation in the original paper was a derivation of chi-squared analysis that is specific to radiocarbon dating and is meaningful only given certain assumptions. Those who have taken issue with the reported value ignore the assumptions.
 
JayUtah said:
This simply repeats the claims that Catsmate debunked. You have to expend original thought and not just post knee-jerk links.
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Em, actually it entirely supports my debunking of the presence of limestone and it's alleged analysis.
I suspect @bobdroege7 was frantically googling and didn't bother to read, or couldn't understand, what he found.
Hugh Farey certainly doesn't believe the shroud is genuine.
 
JayUtah said:
The calculation in the original paper was a derivation of chi-squared analysis that is specific to radiocarbon dating and is meaningful only given certain assumptions. Those who have taken issue with the reported value ignore the assumptions.
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So why did the Arizona lab combine 8 dates into 4?
 
catsmate said:
Em, actually it entirely supports my debunking of the presence of limestone and it's alleged analysis.
I suspect @bobdroege7 was frantically googling and didn't bother to read, or couldn't understand, what he found.
Hugh Farey certainly doesn't believe the shroud is genuine.
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Correct. It doesn't present any new evidence or dispute the existing debunking.
 
JayUtah said:
Do you really think that just throwing out random questions constitutes meaningful debate? It's nearly impossible to keep you on topic.
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The Gish Gallop is a popular tactic amongst fringe believers.
 
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