So what form does the resistance take?

TragicMonkey said:
Trump is a business genius, he says so himself. Just look at his successful casino, and the mail-order steaks, and the sneakers, and that business school, and his NFTs! It's hard to argue with that kind of track record.
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I'm sorry, did you say 'casino', singular? Your going to need a lot more fingers to tick off how successful his multiple casinos have been.
 
Posted elsewhere but belongs here too:


Protect your neighbors, friends, co-workers, or anybody else who might be deported. Give no information to ICE. Demand a judicial, not administrative, warrant before allowing ICE to enter your workplace, classroom or home.

Order or print "red cards" (https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas) and leave a supply in areas where they might be of help or interest to immigrants (bodegas, community centers, etc.)

Contact your representatives to oppose these activities, and keep contacting them, even if you think they won't listen. If enough people complain, they will listen.

Don't get overwhelmed or discouraged. Demoralization is part of the strategy, so don't let it happen to you.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Posted elsewhere but belongs here too:


Protect your neighbors, friends, co-workers, or anybody else who might be deported. Give no information to ICE. Demand a judicial, not administrative, warrant before allowing ICE to enter your workplace, classroom or home.

Order or print "red cards" (https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas) and leave a supply in areas where they might be of help or interest to immigrants (bodegas, community centers, etc.)

Contact your representatives to oppose these activities, and keep contacting them, even if you think they won't listen. If enough people complain, they will listen.

Don't get overwhelmed or discouraged. Demoralization is part of the strategy, so don't let it happen to you.
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THIS.
We have way too many "We are doomed and nothing can stop it" rants on this forum.
I know a lot of it is venting, and I guess some peopple think being as negative as possible is somehow cool, but it's only helps the bad guys.
And, fo course, it is a wonderful excuse to sit back and do nothing.
 
Thermal said:
I'm sorry, did you say 'casino', singular? Your going to need a lot more fingers to tick off how successful his multiple casinos have been.
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That is the ultimate comment on someone's business aiblity. He lost money running a casino, where the odds are always in the houses favor.
 
dudalb said:
That is the ultimate comment on someone's business aiblity. He lost money running a casino, where the odds are always in the houses favor.
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A casino is about as close as you get to owning a money printing press, and at the time, there was only one other gambling town in the US, and it was on the other side of the continent in the middle of a desert, so not much local competition. Yet still, he tanked them decisively.

Yes, it's a little more complicated than that, but still.
 
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dudalb said:
That is the ultimate comment on someone's business aiblity. He lost money running a casino, where the odds are always in the houses favor.
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Why is it we criticize someone for losing their own money but not politicians for wasting our money?
 
Trausti said:
Why is it we criticize someone for losing their own money but not politicians for wasting our money?
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Pay attention. People criticise Trump for wasting Americans' money.

Deporting 2 million "illegals", anyone?
 
dudalb said:
THIS.
We have way too many "We are doomed and nothing can stop it" rants on this forum.
I know a lot of it is venting, and I guess some peopple think being as negative as possible is somehow cool, but it's only helps the bad guys.
And, fo course, it is a wonderful excuse to sit back and do nothing.
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But your "civil war" comments that you've made for years aren't ""We are doomed and nothing can stop it" rants"?
 
Wasting money isn't exactly the same as "spending it on projects I personally don't approuve of".
 
steenkh said:
cxkwz3374 said:
Because Trump has promoted himself as a competent successful businessman.
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… and he wants to apply this “proved” business acumen to the U.S. state finances.
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And he knows that media manipulation was the most important part of being promoted as a competent successful businessman.
That's why he blames the media whenever it points out that he isn't actually competent.
In his opinion, the only unbiassed media is media that promotes the lie of his infallibility.
 
stanfr said:
If MAGA is to be resisted, there has to be a *quick* organization of an opposition, cause once entrenched, a Trump dynasty will crush the opposition just as the Nazis did. Bernie is too old to be a viable voice. Walz might have had a shot but he tied himself to the sinking ship. No celebrities seem to want to step forward as a populist candidate. And that is clearly what is needed, someone popular and/or populist.
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How can we claim to know the highlighted part to be true? The last few Democratic Party candidates to win a majority of the major party vote share (Clinton, Obama, Clinton, Biden) were anything but populist. Undisputed populist Bernie Sanders managed to lose to Hillary Clinton by even more millions of votes than Donald Trump did. Basically, left populism doesn't have much of an electoral track record in my lifetime.
 
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How can we claim to know the highlighted part to be true? The last few Democratic Party candidates to win a majority of the major party vote share (Clinton, Obama, Clinton, Biden) were anything but populist. Undisputed populist Bernie Sanders managed to lose to Hillary Clinton by even more millions of votes than Donald Trump did. Basically, left populism doesn't have much of an electoral track record in my lifetime.
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I think you're missing the big picture--Trump argues against everything you just said. HE was a huge underdog and unpopular pick when he first ran. He was successful because he was perceived as an outsider, and managed to frame traditional conservatives (Bush, Cheney, McCain etc) as RINOS! It was desire for change that he ran on, and was hugely successful. All the polls showed Bernie would have crushed Trump in 2016--I remember them clearly--but the DNC squashed his chances. Back then, the media was MSM and set the tone. Now, it is social and independent media that sets the tone. And they are all clamoring for a populist. Harris tapped into a small part of that energy at the start of her campaign but it fizzled rapidly, because she ws unpopular from the get go and never was elected by the people. A true populist would have enormous appeal. It's not an accident that some Bernie voters--and some AOc voters (!!) voted for Trump. If Trump were sane and not a narcissistic jerk, he would have won 80% of the vote, not the 30% that he did. I can't prove any of this of course, but that is my impression.
 
stanfr said:
I think you're missing the big picture--Trump argues against everything you just said.
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I think you're missing my point: I'm highly skeptical that what works for right-populism works similarly for left-populism.

Populism is to a greater or lesser extent grounded in distrust of experts who trained in elite institutions to gain expertise, experts such as Anthony Fauci in the field of medicine or Elena Kagan in the field of law. People in the highly-educated coastal regions are trained to trust in experts and defer to expertise, people in the rural heartland (where I live) are trained to distrust them and "do their own research" instead.
 
The one thing Democrats can and should do is say out loud whenever they see the Trump team do anything they consider illegal to go to Court as well as declare that they plan to prosecute them once they are back in charge of the DOJ.
Making Trump underlings scared of prison will be the only way to make them think long enough to not break every law to serve their god.
 
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