Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[theprestige]

You can respond to Nolot's claim without watching the film that he bases his claim on?

My answer hasn't changed since Wednesday.

 

[Darat]

I find I strange that Poem is fine with kids seeing penises when they seem to have said before that such exposure is illegal in the UK.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

But we can still make a first approximation of my comfort level in potentially defending such porn: Does the documentary demonstrate that any of the featured porn was made illegally?

Poem: you arer demanding a response to this film you've posted, so have the courtesy to answer when you do actually get a response. Do you have an answer to this question?

 

[Poem]

Metro.co.uk (2015 updated in 11 Dec. 2019) cites Pornhub's own data showing the most searched for term among men was 'teen'.

Exodus Cry (Benjamin Nolot) has an article by Madison McQueen (17 August 2022) on the subject of barely legal porn:
"the U.S. is only one of 15 countries which allows child-themed or teen-themed pornography."

Though I have not been able to verify the latter, it appears that countries that do proscribe such content are powerless to act against it when it's internet based. Why this is so remains unclear.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Metro.co.uk (2015 updated in 11 Dec. 2019) cites Pornhub's own data showing the most searched for term among men was 'teen'.

Exodus Cry (Benjamin Nolot) has an article by Madison McQueen (17 August 2022) on the subject of barely legal porn:
"the U.S. is only one of 15 countries which allows child-themed or teen-themed pornography."

Though I have not been able to verify the latter, it appears that countries that do proscribe such content are powerless to act against it when it's internet based. Why this is so remains unclear.

Poem: you arer demanding a response to this film you've posted, so have the courtesy to answer when you do actually get a response. Do you have an answer to this question?

Your post does not appear to contain an answer to this question.

 

[Poem]

Your post does not appear to contain an answer to this question.

As far as I am aware - all the barely legal porn featured in the Nolot documentary is produced in the USA where it is not illegal to do so.

 

[arthwollipot]

If you take a look at PornHub, you will find that the "Teen" category is actually called "Teen 18+".

 

[theprestige]

As far as I am aware - all the barely legal porn featured in the Nolot documentary is produced in the USA where it is not illegal to do so.

Legal adults consensually portraying legal adults engaged in legal activities, using legal production methods, seems like a a sufficient defense in itself.

Is there something about it you'd like to attack?

 

[Poem]

Legal adults consensually portraying legal adults engaged in legal activities, using legal production methods, seems like a a sufficient defense in itself.

Is there something about it you'd like to attack?

Some pornographers don't scruple to portray them as underage, so I am puzzled by your assertion to the contrary. If we assume that director Nolot is correct in stating that such depictions are illegal in most countries (his website asserts only 15 countries allow it), then it's statistically going to be the case that consuming it is going to be illegal (unless, of course, the countries that do allow it are all the high population ones).

The questing remains: how is this industry getting away with it?

 

[Poem]

If you take a look at PornHub, you will find that the "Teen" category is actually called "Teen 18+".

Given their poor moderation history, why do you trust that? Kristof established that their content was infested with 'rape videos' in 2020 and, AFAIK, the same VPs and executives are still there. As recently as 2023, PH was exposed by undercover work by
Sound Investigations.

 

[Darat]

Some pornographers don't scruple to portray them as underage, so I am puzzled by your assertion to the contrary. If we assume that director Nolot is correct in stating that such depictions are illegal in most countries (his website asserts only 15 countries allow it), then it's statistically going to be the case that consuming it is going to be illegal (unless, of course, the countries that do allow it are all the high population ones).

The questing remains: how is this industry getting away with it?

Are you aware that in most media the "teenagers" are often played by older adults? In the UK it is legal for an 18 year old to act in pornography. It is also legal for under 18 year olds to view pornography.

 

[Darat]

Given their poor moderation history, why do you trust that? Kristof established that their content was infested with 'rape videos' in 2020 and, AFAIK, the same VPs and executives are still there. As recently as 2023, PH was exposed by undercover work by
Sound Investigations.

As you know I went to look at Pornhub when you were making your clam of what constituted 90% of porn when you went to the site. That claim was disproven in a few minutes if research. Those that make such claims have a burden of proof to show their research.

 

[zooterkin]

Some pornographers don't scruple to portray them as underage, so I am puzzled by your assertion to the contrary. If we assume that director Nolot is correct in stating that such depictions are illegal in most countries (his website asserts only 15 countries allow it), then it's statistically going to be the case that consuming it is going to be illegal (unless, of course, the countries that do allow it are all the high population ones).

The questing remains: how is this industry getting away with it?

Given you're the one who's claiming there's a problem, perhaps you should take the time to do a bit of research and quantify some of those assumptions. Just for starters, what ages are you actually talking about (both being portrayed and of the performers), which countries, and what is the population of those countries?

 

[Poem]

As you know I went to look at Pornhub when you were making your clam of what constituted 90% of porn when you went to the site. That claim was disproven in a few minutes if research. Those that make such claims have a burden of proof to show their research.

The 90% claim was about violence in porn which I conceded was not substantiated. That such a claim is not tenable isn't conceding a lot...though, of course, it reflected poorly on me.

The Journal of Criminology published research by Grey et al in 2021:
Sexual violence as a sexual script in mainstream online pornography

We found that one in eight titles shown to first-time users on the first page of mainstream porn sites describe sexual activity that constitutes sexual violence.

The true percentage of porn videos that show violence will always be difficult to ascertain. The prevalence and normalization of strangling/choking during sex would seem to bear out a percentage that is significant.

 

[Poem]

Are you aware that in most media the "teenagers" are often played by older adults? In the UK it is legal for an 18 year old to act in pornography. It is also legal for under 18 year olds to view pornography.

The significant factor, though, is that legal porn actors portraying a child is illegal in the UK. Such material on DVD, Blu-ray or Video on demand is banned.

Canada also has made such content illegal (indeed Nolot claims most countries have). Yet, one can just turn on the computer and watch away...

 

[Poem]

Given you're the one who's claiming there's a problem, perhaps you should take the time to do a bit of research and quantify some of those assumptions. Just for starters, what ages are you actually talking about (both being portrayed and of the performers), which countries, and what is the population of those countries?

I have been attempting to find out which countries.

Have you watched the film? All the actors are (as far as we know) 18+ - but some look about 14 or even younger.

 

[Darat]

The significant factor, though, is that legal porn actors portraying a child is illegal in the UK. Such material on DVD, Blu-ray or Video on demand is banned.

Canada also has made such content illegal (indeed Nolot claims most countries have). Yet, one can just turn on the computer and watch away...

But teens includes 18 and 19 year olds, and such portrayals are not illegal. That "teen" is searched for does not mean that the porn returned is illegal.

 

[Poem]

But teens includes 18 and 19 year olds, and such portrayals are not illegal. That "teen" is searched for does not mean that the porn returned is illegal.

Are you stating that depictions such as those featured in the Nolot documentary are not found on tube sites?

I will repost this from Barnardo's (Dec 2022):
Pornographic content which suggests sexual activity with children is extremely harmful but is rife on mainstream pornography sites. This content promotes an interest in child sexual abuse material and in some cases can lead to abuse online and offline. Such content would be illegal offline, on DVD or Blu Ray, but is prevalent across mainstream pornography sites.
Online pornography platforms host videos depicting sexual activity with actors or characters who look like children: petite, young-looking performers made to look underage through props such as stuffed toys, lollipops and school uniforms and sexual activity between family members, particularly step-families. Although not strictly illegal, this is extremely harmful, sexualising children and driving the demand for ‘real’ child sexual abuse material.

Here's Canada's stance on such material:
...material of any kind that depicts a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and engaged in or depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years, is unlawful

 

[arthwollipot]

Given their poor moderation history, why do you trust that? Kristof established that their content was infested with 'rape videos' in 2020 and, AFAIK, the same VPs and executives are still there. As recently as 2023, PH was exposed by undercover work by
Sound Investigations.

You may not be aware that PornHub (and other porn aggregators) have significantly tightened their standards because of exactly those investigations. It was only after 2020, for example, that the "Teen" category was renamed to "Teen 18+", which may seem only cosmetic, but it is significant.

 

[arthwollipot]

Are you stating that depictions such as those featured in the Nolot documentary are not found on tube sites?

Without going into details, I've never happened across any*. Virtually none of the performers that I see look even remotely like they're not at least in their mid-20s.

I had to hastily reword that sentence.