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Trump's Second Term

carlosy said:
Yes it does. 33% voted for him, 33% didn't care.
So, 66% are cool with him being POTUS.
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No, actually it was closer to 30% of eligible voters. We have no idea what ineligible voters thought, but based on demographics probably at least a significant percentage are not happy with the results. And for the % who "didn't care" that is a questionable assumption. From what I have heard and read, a significant number of those non-voters either 1)are simply uneducated and/or uninformed about politics--so not that they 'don't care'--they don't know! or 2)thought that the choice was between 2 evils. This simply means that they are disgusted with either choice being elected, not that they don't care.
A more interesting observation for me is that a large minority of ISF members apparently are disgusted by the result. Given that forum members tend to be well-educated and informed, as well as generally well-versed in critical thinking methodology, that implies to me that it is not so much that people "don't care"--but that they are easily misled by the sort of mass misinformation campaigns that have been run by both the left and right, but more effectively and consistently by the right.
 
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Trump ended the security detail for Dr. Fauci. "Speaking to reporters in North Carolina on Friday, Trump said he wouldn’t feel any responsibility if harm befell the former government officials. A person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security issues, said that Fauci’s federal security detail was ended on Thursday and that he has since hired private security." I am at a loss for words.
 
Trump is the President of All American Voters. There is no point to go all "I voted for Kodos" and pretend you are not directly responsible by participating in an inherently undemocratic system .
If you won't want someone like Trump to get elected, you have to get a lot more involved in politics and in your community.
 
Not just Fauci

The Pentagon has revoked the security detail and clearance for retired general Mark Milley, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
He criticised Trump.
He also removed his security clearance.

Also, Pete Hegseth directed the move as one of his first acts in office has asked officials to investigate Gen Milley's "conduct" and review his military grade.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Trump ended the security detail for Dr. Fauci. "Speaking to reporters in North Carolina on Friday, Trump said he wouldn’t feel any responsibility if harm befell the former government officials. A person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security issues, said that Fauci’s federal security detail was ended on Thursday and that he has since hired private security." I am at a loss for words.
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Dog whistle translation: "Will no one rid me of this vexatious doctor?"
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump is the President of All American Voters. There is no point to go all "I voted for Kodos" and pretend you are not directly responsible by participating in an inherently undemocratic system .
If you won't want someone like Trump to get elected, you have to get a lot more involved in politics and in your community.
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In a few years we may be beyond politics. Walmart buying agents should begin stocking up on pitchforks and other such "supplies."
 
Blue Mountain said:
Introduction to the executive order "Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation:"


I gave the above text to the Claude 3 Haiku LLM (via DuckDuckGo/aichat) and asked it for an analysis of is truthfulness or falsehood. It responded as follows:


Even an LLM chatbot finds the text of an official proclamation by President Trump so repugnant it refuses to comment on it.
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The executive order is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on the face of it. Fewer than 1% of trans people who have surgery regret their surgery afterwards. That's three times less than those who have life saving surgery* such as amputations due to gangrene.

*Gender reassignment is often lifesaving in that it prevents suicidality. In my sentence I meant immediate loss of life.
 
stanfr said:
No, actually it was closer to 30% of eligible voters. We have no idea what ineligible voters thought, but based on demographics probably at least a significant percentage are not happy with the results. And for the % who "didn't care" that is a questionable assumption. From what I have heard and read, a significant number of those non-voters either 1)are simply uneducated and/or uninformed about politics--so not that they 'don't care'--they don't know! or 2)thought that the choice was between 2 evils. This simply means that they are disgusted with either choice being elected, not that they don't care.
A more interesting observation for me is that a large minority of ISF members apparently are disgusted by the result. Given that forum members tend to be well-educated and informed, as well as generally well-versed in critical thinking methodology, that implies to me that it is not so much that people "don't care"--but that they are easily misled by the sort of mass misinformation campaigns that have been run by both the left and right, but more effectively and consistently by the right.
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I have no idea how many of those who didn't vote would have voted for Harris or Trump, but it's clear that they couldn't give two flying ◊◊◊◊◊ about who's in charge, about democracy, nor about the state of the world. The intentional dumbing down of Americans has finally borne fruit. Those who didn't vote are as culpable as those who voted for Trump. When society collapses, they will get everything they deserved, and those of us who tried to save it will get everything we didn't deserve.
 
Olmstead said:
I don't know, I think they're just shell-shocked. I mean, just look at him. The people voted for THIS. Where do we even go from here?
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Yes, but it time to stop being shell shocked.
steenkh said:
No, the people didn’t vote for this. A tiny majority voted for this. That does not make make his supporters “the people”.
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And even a lot of the Trump voters did not vote for this, really. They though he would have some controls on him like last time.
They were tragically mistaken.
You had a lot of lesser of two evils voters. I think they were fools to vote for Donnie as the lesser of two evils but they can be saved.
It is easy to write off all Trump voters are being mindless MAGAs but that is both wrong and dangerous.
Thing about Trump he is so full of crap that it is hard to tell when he is being serious about what he to do and when he is just mouthing off whatever comes into his mind.
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
Ooo, the warpath? And big time? The lawmakers who…introduced a resolution about the J6 pardons a week afterward?

A resolution. That there is some serious warpathin’!
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And what, pray tell, do you suggest they do?
Introdcue an impeahcment measure/ That would be even more useless then a resolution.
Guy, you have to bring something to the table other then snark if you want to be taken seriously.
 
WSJ has a write-up on trump's anti-DEI efforts, including how it has apparently involved doing a ctrl+f on the terms and pressing delete.
www.theguardian.com

Trump’s demands to drop DEI leads to deletion of unrelated federal pages

IRS handbook containing mentions of taxpayers’ ‘inequity’ and ‘inclusion’ have been wiped, WSJ reports
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

In ends on a "Well, duh" note:
Still, the Wall Street Journal found, Trump officials are trying to find more people to fire whose work related to DEI, believing there are more than they’ve initially found because “it seemed that the Trump administration had expected the number to be larger”.
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Olmstead said:
I don't know, I think they're just shell-shocked. I mean, just look at him. The people voted for THIS. Where do we even go from here?
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How can they be shell shocked? They spent years telling us what a threat to Democracy he is and that he's a goddamned fascist. Now that he acts like one, they piss themselves? Really?

Meet the moment or get out of the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ way
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump is the President of All American Voters. There is no point to go all "I voted for Kodos" and pretend you are not directly responsible by participating in an inherently undemocratic system .
If you won't want someone like Trump to get elected, you have to get a lot more involved in politics and in your community.
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Or make voting mandatory. Given your problem description, it seems a much better solution now, doesn't it.
 
Mojo said:
The lack of self-awareness is inspiring:

www.independent.co.uk

Trump won't visit Washington DC plane crash site because it's 'the water'

The president said on Thursday he would be meeting with some of the families of victims of the tragedy, but did not specify when
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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His empathy as the Consoler in Chief is legendary:
When asked about his plans to visit the crash site, he replied: “I have a plan to visit, not the site. Because you tell me, what’s the site? The water? You want me to go swimming?”
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