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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

dudalb said:
I think a lot of the DEI stuff was silly, but I afriad this a lot of the people who screamd about DEI have no problem w ith dricimination as long as it is aginst non white people.
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A number of the DEI things that can rightfully be considered silly are also likely easily attributed to people trying to justify their positions in environments where DEI was far less needed and when people are trying to get more attention, usually for personal gain. Standard hazards of that kind of thing. To make a momentary comparison, the anti-woke crowd is hardly all onboard with sexual consent being included in "wokeness," but so it goes when such has been included in what some loudmouths call wokeness. "Your body, My choice" hardly came out of nowhere, either way.

Yeah, though. All that screaming about merit and discrimination just ends up looking like a pathetic farce in the face of what Trump and co had done during his last Administration, actually promised to do, and and has done so far.

Trump, himself, is one of the most poignant examples about how much his supporters actually value things like "merit."
 
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Obeying the Trump EO, the Air Force will stop teaching recruits about Tuskegee Airmen. A video on the pioneering Black pilothas been removed from an Air Force basic training curriculum at Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland.

Also, federal agencies will no longer recognise black history month.
 
arthwollipot said:
At the cost of any attempt at anything that even sounds like diversity, equity or inclusion.
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Ehh. You're granting too much credit to that. At last check, under Biden, "DEI hiring" basically ran with competence at the forefront, so "saving taxpayer money and reducing waste" is a worthy of little more than an eye-roll from the start. Going further, given that Trump proved and is proving plenty well that loyalty was at the forefront of his hiring preferences, with competence being either largely irrelevant or potentially even bad, it's sorta like trying to problem solve getting ketchup on a white shirt by slapping a handful of mud on top of the ketchup and calling the problem fixed. You can't see the ketchup anymore then, right?

Going even further, even the pretense that Trump's actions will save taxpayer money and reduce waste, overall, is worthy of little other than ridicude, but it is tiresome to waste time refuting the willfully blind as they try to argue that up is down.
 
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And Trump et al will lie about the money saved and waste reductions.
And dismiss fact checks of these as "fake news" anyway.
 
arthwollipot said:
At the cost of any attempt at anything that even sounds like diversity, equity or inclusion.
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Why does the federal government need to expend taxypayer money for commissars to ensure people don't engage in wrongthink? How does this extra layer of bureaucratic bloat benefit the American people?
 
Andy_Ross said:
The EO that rescinds the Equal Employment Opportunity order of 1965 also says says illegal private-sector DEI preferences, mandates, policies, programs, and activities. should be terminated and Trump has ordered federal agencies to identify "up to nine potential civil compliance investigations of publicly traded corporations, large non-profit corporations or associations, foundations with assets of 500 million dollars or more, State and local bar and medical associations, and institutions of higher education with endowments over 1 billion dollars."
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None of that equates to firing people.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Here we go. If you are identified as DEI you are terminated.
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That's an interesting bait and switch you've got going on.

You've taken an order to eliminate ROLES that are explicitly focused on promoting DEI... and you've reframed that as if it eliminates employees who were hired as a result of DEI policies. Those are not at all the same things.

I also find it interesting that you have insinuated that either of those is going to result in minority individuals being fired. You're tacitly arguing that minorities cannot gain positions on their own merits, that somehow they're inherently less capable and can only attain government jobs as a hand-out. To me, that seems extremely racist.
 
Give it a couple of weeks and we'll look at it again shall we?

Their ability won't be taken in to account.

Blacks, women and people with disabilities are in the firing line.
 
Trausti said:
Why does the federal government need to expend taxypayer money for commissars to ensure people don't engage in wrongthink? How does this extra layer of bureaucratic bloat benefit the American people?
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So racsim and bigotry is not wrong in your book. Totally expected.
 
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