Ed Does anyone here believe that Princess Diana's car crash was suspicious?

[P.J. Denyer]

You'd have thought, given the British Army's range of theatres of operation, that if the idea was to send Hewitt away they'd have sent him somewhere that isn't so close that we go there for Budget Weekend Mini Breaks.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

So I guess we're just done with the car crash now?

That gallop's gotta gish.

 

[Thermal]

So I guess we're just done with the car crash now?

Get with the program, brah. Stream of Consciousness is where it's at.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Judging by the reviewer's tone, I think he agrees that the royals were behind it. The exile of Hewitt, anyway.


Hewitt seemed to think it was an actual promotion, cause he's an idiot, and Diana asked him "So how come none of Camilla's relatives ever get sent to Germany?"

But that's not even the worst of it....

How many Parker-Bowles were then serving army officers, let alone in a cavalry, ie armoured, regiment?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Get with the program, brah. Stream of Consciousness is where it's at.

I don't think this car crash will be finished any time time soon.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

It's pretty laughable that anyone would think that a long-standing Army regiment of any sort, let alone the Life Guards, would have their operational postings influenced by a former junior officer, especially one from the Navy. Never happening: some of the Life Guards look down on the Windsors as upstart newcomers.

Aaaah bless, someone thinks Downton Abbey is a documentary

 

[I Am The Scum]

Get with the program, brah. Stream of Consciousness is where it's at.

The car went into a stream? I thought it was a tunnel.

 

[BartholomewWest]

It's pretty laughable that anyone would think that a long-standing Army regiment of any sort, let alone the Life Guards, would have their operational postings influenced by a former junior officer, especially one from the Navy. Never happening: some of the Life Guards look down on the Windsors as upstart newcomers.

Aaaah bless, someone thinks Downton Abbey is a documentary

It's pretty laughable to think that the head of the country and the head of the military WOULDN'T have influence in the military!

Admittedly, he doesn't run the government itself, except in a symbolic way- but he's literally the head of the armed forces!

In what way is the clan that ruled for 800 years "newcomers" !?

 

[junkshop]

It's pretty laughable to think that the head of the country and the head of the military WOULDN'T have influence in the military!

Admittedly, he doesn't run the government itself, except in a symbolic way- but he's literally the head of the armed forces!...

Diana died in 1997. Her affair with Hewitt lasted from 1986 to 1991. Hewitt was posted to Germany in 1989.

Chucky³ didn't become King (head of state) or Head of the Armed Forces until 2022.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Mate, that does not support what you say.

Hewitt, a then serving army officer, was POSTED to Germany, where at the time there was a hefty British Army presence (I visited Munster in the early 80s and there were parts of town you did not want to visit in order to avoid aggressive, drunken squaddies), so a posting to a German base for a serving officer in a tank regiment was very, very, very normal. Hint, our military presence in Germany then included a whole heap of tanks, as the presumption was fighting a land war across the North German Plain, which needs tanks, which Hewitt commanded.

This is NOT a deportation, 'cos if it was I know a whole heap of folk who were "deported". FFS, my late father-in-law was "deported" to Germany, as he served in the Army over there.

◊◊◊◊ knows where Andy Ross was "deported" to when he served..

I was deported to the North and South Atlatic.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Judging by the reviewer's tone, I think he agrees that the royals were behind it. The exile of Hewitt, anyway.


Hewitt seemed to think it was an actual promotion, cause he's an idiot, and Diana asked him "So how come none of Camilla's relatives ever get sent to Germany?"

But that's not even the worst of it....

A posting to where your regiment is serving is not 'exile'.

Do you think the entire regiment was exiled to Germany?

 

[Andy_Ross]

It's pretty laughable to think that the head of the country and the head of the military WOULDN'T have influence in the military!

Admittedly, he doesn't run the government itself, except in a symbolic way- but he's literally the head of the armed forces!

In what way is the clan that ruled for 800 years "newcomers" !?

The Windsors have net been around for 800 years.

You need to look up the history of the Monarchy.

They only became Windsors in the 1st world war, they were called Saxe-Coburg-Gotha before that.

 

[BartholomewWest]

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Regarding Diana, all sort of very strange things would happen while she was still alive. IIRC, she would constantly find "hidden" microphones at the palace. Her private phone calls with a different boyfriend named James Gibney (it's hard to keep up with them, by the way, and figure out which one was which) were taped and released to a newspaper. The official story was that 2 random schmucks had taped Gibney cause they had somehow heard his phone conversations on the radio and had sold the recordings....but no one believes that. Diana's bodyguard was adamant that the intelligence services were behind that one, too. And then there is the fact that Barry Manakee died in a bike crash.

How do all these Lover Boys end up dying in road accidents or getting sent to another country or wind up under surveillance, their private musings broadcast to the whole nation?

 

[Thermal]

Regarding Diana, all sort of very strange things would happen while she was still alive. IIRC, she would constantly find "hidden" microphones at the palace. Her phone calls with a different boyfriend named James Gibney (it's hard to keep up with them, by the way, and figure out which one was which) were taped and released to a newspaper.

How does that indicate her limo was made to crash?

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Edited to remove response to breach of rule 11

 

[junkshop]

Oh crap, regarding Nixon, it was actually even worse than that!

He hired the Cuban "freedom fighters" (read that as "terrorists") who were already in trouble over the Bay of Pigs fiasco, IIRC. So these people could be instantly linked to the CIA, IIRC. Why wouldn't he hire people who could pretend to be regular old robbers? Beats me.

And the dumbass bugged himself as he was doing it! Why did he tap his own phones and his own office as he was doing something illegal!? And use donor funds from his own re-election committee, stuff that could be easily traced back to him!? Cause....uhm.... reasons?

All this Nixon stuff is off-topic for this thread.

Regarding Diana, all sort of very strange things would happen while she was still alive. IIRC, she would constantly find "hidden" microphones at the palace. Her phone calls with a different boyfriend named James Gibney (it's hard to keep up with them, by the way, and figure out which one was which) were taped and released to a newspaper.

Regarding the highlighted: It's not that difficult if you pay attention to the details, such as people's names.

Case in point: It was was James GILBEY, not GIBNEY.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Judging by the reviewer's tone, I think he agrees that the royals were behind it. The exile of Hewitt, anyway.


Hewitt seemed to think it was an actual promotion, cause he's an idiot, and Diana asked him "So how come none of Camilla's relatives ever get sent to Germany?"

But that's not even the worst of it....

I don't think you're going to get any takers for the posting of a regiment being the 'exile' of one man.

Armies typically make it quite easy to tell if you've been promoted. Signs include being saluted and called 'sir' by people who didn't before. Even the quite dim ones know whether they've been promoted or not.

 

[BartholomewWest]

Regarding the highlighted: It's not that difficult if you pay attention to the details, such as people's names.

Case in point: It was was James GILBEY, not GIBNEY.

I was making a bit of a joke about how many men Diana was screwing!

Did that really go over your head!?

 

[junkshop]

I was making a bit of a joke about how many men Diana was screwing!

Did that really go over your head!?

Sure, Jan.

 

[BartholomewWest]

Regarding the crash itself, the actor Richard Belzar made a documentary about it. It was a pretty good summary of events, actually. I watched it a while back so my memory isn't fresh...but he pointed out a lot of things that don't seem to add up. Things that seem inconsistent. I would recommend it.

Just to begin with, there were conflicting reports about the driver. People said he was a drunk and high on anti-depressants and suicidal over his lady friend dumping him. IIRC.

Other people disputed that characterization. They said he never drank on the job, was never depressed or suicidal, didn't take pills and didn't give a darn that this woman had dumped him. IIRC

Conflicting stories like that kept emerging, too.

 

[Thermal]

Regarding the crash itself, the actor Richard Belzar made a documentary about it. It was a pretty good summary of events, actually. I watched it a while back so my memory isn't fresh...but he pointed out a lot of things that don't seem to add up. Things that seem inconsistent. I would recommend it.

Just to begin with, there were conflicting reports about the driver. People said he was a drunk and high on anti-depressants and suicidal over his lady friend dumping him. IIRC.

Other people disputed that characterization. They said he never drank on the job, was never depressed or suicidal, didn't take pills and didn't give a darn that this woman had dumped him. IIRC

Conflicting stories like that kept emerging, too.

Conflicting acquaintance/buddy testimony is pretty common. That's why what people *think* is so much less valuable than actual evidence, and a major distinction a skeptic makes. We value facts over feels.

Eta: if you don't remember the greatest hits from the documentary, are you pretty sure it was convincing? Sounds... kinda forgettable, if nothing stayed with you.