Does Hillary have a chance in '08?

[Luke T.]

Fair enough. But what don't you like about her? It's a serious question...I ask it a lot, but seldom get a serious answer.

I expressed my doubts in the form of a question. Single term Senator. No previous elected office.

She's never written a budget or overseen an economy or taken care of a population or selected a staff to carry out her policies. That's why we like to elect Governors.

And if she wasn't Bill Clinton's wife, she wouldn't even be a Senator.

 

[fishbob]

Bush is not a republican in my view.

Thank Ed, I am not alone in that opinion.

 

[Ed]

I have always voted for the lesser of evils. Don't most people?

Centrist is good. I would support an honest centrist. My objection is the pandering - which is my biggest objection to Bush.

I don't think Bush panders. I think what you see is what you get. Hillary OTOH ...

 

[Ed]

I expressed my doubts in the form of a question. Single term Senator. No previous elected office.

She's never written a budget or overseen an economy or taken care of a population or selected a staff to carry out her policies. That's why we like to elect Governors.

And if she wasn't Bill Clinton's wife, she wouldn't even be a Senator.

Remember the argument against Bush was that he was a one term governor.

 

[fishbob]

She's never written a budget or overseen an economy or taken care of a population or selected a staff to carry out her policies. That's why we like to elect Governors.

Why so many 1 and 2 term governors, though? Never a governor with enough track record to see if the budget or economy or population or staff selection actually were taken care of.

 

[Upchurch]

Bush is not a republican in my view.

I'd have to agree with that.

 

[Jocko]

I don't think Bush panders. I think what you see is what you get. Hillary OTOH ...

Well, if the only difference is the degree of cynicism involved, it's a distinction without a diference, IMHO. I also agree that Bush is certainly not a conservative, if not a Republican.

 

[Luke T.]

I'd have to agree with that.

Me, too.

 

[ranson]

She assumed the mantle, as her right, of co-president with Bill. That pissed me off. She pulled an arrogant stunt on healthcare that was eliteist and secretive. She is very liberal and she is cynically mioving to the center event to the point of making nice with the anti-abortion crowd. Her efforts are ham fisted. She does not come across very well and has studiously avoided much exposure where she or her minions are not in control.

My thoughts exactly. I'm a Republican, but generally support most everything that is anathema to the current administration (anti-war, fiscal responsibility, etc.). Even so, I'd probably look at most anyone over Hillary. Most of the bile directed her way is irrational, but it is there. Hillary will not win moderate Republicans in a general election. She might get some of the far left Republicans, but not many. She might look like an ideal Dem candidate, but she can't win. Unfortunately, the Dems need both a coherent platform and a good candidate to win, and they have neither right now.

That said, I like McCain, but I'm wary of his science record. He's looking more and more iffy when it comes to things like ID. Sigh. Two more years to figure it out, at least.

 

[Luke T.]

Remember the argument against Bush was that he was a one term governor.

A one term governor has done more presidential related duties than a 20 term Senator. A state is a sovereignty unto itself in many respects.

 

[Mark]

I expressed my doubts in the form of a question. Single term Senator. No previous elected office.

She's never written a budget or overseen an economy or taken care of a population or selected a staff to carry out her policies. That's why we like to elect Governors.

And if she wasn't Bill Clinton's wife, she wouldn't even be a Senator.

Well, at least they are real reasons.

Bush did many of those things...badly. Which is worse, I wonder?

 

[Luke T.]

Heh. 20 term Senator. That would be 120 years.

 

[Luke T.]

Well, at least they are real reasons.

Bush did many of those things...badly. Which is worse, I wonder?

Someone with a track record vs. someone with no track record? The devil you know vs. the one you don't.

The key is to ask not "what would you do?" but to ask "how would you do it?"

Someone with no experience doesn't know how.

 

[hgc]

Heh. 20 term Senator. That would be 120 years.

 

[Jocko]

Heh. 20 term Senator. That would be 120 years.

Strom Thurmound logged that many, didn't he?

 

[Ed]

Well, at least they are real reasons.

Bush did many of those things...badly. Which is worse, I wonder?

It does not matter. And let me suggest, that if every time a democratic possible is discussed the conversation reverts to Bush bashing and pointing out how candidate x is better on some basis, the Democrats will pull another Chappaquidik. They will certainly deserve to loose.

Starting now, today, on this board, democrats should ignore Bush and treat him for what is is beyond disputation: a lame duck. Even if Bush were Hit.. I mean Pol Pot it makes not one fartskin of difference in '08. You guys have to keep idiots (who might make you feel good but serve no useful purpose otherwise) like Moore, Carter (lately) Gore (lately) Kennedy Sharpton Jackson and the other leftie lights of the party in Gitmo. You cannot divorce yourself from real people who wince whenever one of these loons starts some selfrightous blather.

 

[AmateurScientist]

Excuuuuuuuuuuse, me, Luke, but you're overlooking her prime qualification: she's a woman.

I think that's a non-starter, Jocko.

The woman thing didn't sweep Mondale/Ferraro into office in 1984, and it's not enough in 2008 either. In fact, to see why this is so for many Democrats, just suggest to nearly any die-hard, Yellow Dog Democrat that perhaps Condi Rice would be a terrific President. You'll likely see rolling eyes and hear a lot of epithets to belittle her. It's the same reason hard line Democrats assailed Clarence Thomas' appointment to the Supreme Court. Clearly, his color of skin didn't fit the bill as a black jurist to sit in Thurogood Marshall's place on the bench. Thomas isn't "black" in the eyes of many Democrats, particularly in the eyes of many black Democrats.

Similarly, Rice isn't a "woman" in the Yellow Dog Democrat sense. See, they use doublespeak (so do many Republicans, to be fair). "Black" doesn't mean having black skin, and "woman" doesn't mean being a female. How else do you explain Maya Angelou's proclamation that Bill Clinton was America's first black President?

AS

 

[Jocko]

I think that's a non-starter, Jocko.

The woman thing didn't sweep Mondale/Ferraro into office in 1984, and it's not enough in 2008 either. In fact, to see why this is so for many Democrats, just suggest to nearly any die-hard, Yellow Dog Democrat that perhaps Condi Rice would be a terrific President. You'll likely see rolling eyes and hear a lot of epithets to belittle her. It's the same reason hard line Democrats assailed Clarence Thomas' appointment to the Supreme Court. Clearly, his color of skin didn't fit the bill as a black jurist to sit in Thurogood Marshall's place on the bench. Thomas isn't "black" in the eyes of many Democrats, particularly in the eyes of many black Democrats.

Similarly, Rice isn't a "woman" in the Yellow Dog Democrat sense. See, they use doublespeak (so do many Republicans, to be fair). "Black" doesn't mean having black skin, and "woman" doesn't mean being a female. How else do you explain Maya Angelou's proclamation that Bill Clinton was America's first black President?

AS

Thanks, AS, but I'm well aware of the double standards... which is why I included the smilie.

 

[Luke T.]

You guys have to keep idiots (who might make you feel good but serve no useful purpose otherwise) like Moore, Carter (lately) Gore (lately) Kennedy Sharpton Jackson and the other leftie lights of the party in Gitmo.

While we're at it, let's put Hannity, Coulter, Keyes, and the entire Swift Boat crew in a gulag.

 

[Ed]

While we're at it, let's put Hannity, Coulter, Keyes, and the entire Swift Boat crew in a gulag.

They all have helped create the feceical situation that we are all in. The bunch of them make their money exploiting every difference that they can find. The distinction, though, is that the idiots you mention (except Keyes?) don't figure in GOP conventions.