Cont: Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla II

Elon says

"We have now confirmed that the explosion was caused by very large fireworks and/or a bomb carried in the bed of the rented Cybertruck and is unrelated to the vehicle itself.
All vehicle telemetry was positive at the time of the explosion."
 
Thought it would be a set up but I wonder how happy Cyber truck owners are knowing that Musk can track them?
 
I'm half seriously hoping Musk has no access to nukes.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
More than just a fire. It was an explosion of some sort, quite different from a typical EV fire.

Best to not jump to conclusions on this one.
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i agree, i saw a video of it after that. i'm not sure what happened exactly there
Andy_Ross said:
Elon says

"We have now confirmed that the explosion was caused by very large fireworks and/or a bomb carried in the bed of the rented Cybertruck and is unrelated to the vehicle itself.
All vehicle telemetry was positive at the time of the explosion."
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well, we probably had ought to independently confirm this one
 
Elon says

The evil knuckleheads picked the wrong vehicle for a terrorist attack. Cybertruck actually contained the explosion and directed the blast upwards.

Not even the glass doors of the lobby were broken.
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novaphile said:
Hmm...

Just watched a youtube video where a guy rescued a AWD (but not off-road capable) Tesla from the snow.

It was a pretty frustrating experience for the guy with the tow truck, because the Tesla has no hitching points anywhere on the vehicle.
(He ended up having to dig a bit of a tunnel underneath the vehicle so that he could attach to something between the front wheels).

I can see the driver's mistake, expensive AWD vehicle, why not take it to the snow fields?

Unfortunately the battery protection under the car, makes it easy for the car to 'ski' up onto a mound of snow, leaving it (effectively) with four wheels in the air.

I cannot understand Tesla not providing any hitching/tie down points on the car though, that just seems weird.

(The tow-truck driver did pop off some plastic panels in a couple of places, hoping to find sockets/etc, but there was nothing behind those panels.)

I had thought that threaded holes that accept a ring bolt, for tow points, was a standard in the USA, I guess not.
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Just did a bit of Googling. Model 3 definitely has a fairly standard arrangement. There's a separate towing eye and a threaded hole behind a small plastic panel to put it in. This is an almost identical arrangement to my Audi S3.

The model S seems to require you to take a whole nose panel off to access the hole for the towing eye but it still has one.

The X and Y are similar to the 3
 
Bogative said:
Yes, and it took $32,000,000,000 US taxpayer dollars(2024) and 11 years to make it happen. Much longer than it took the Apollo program to accomplish something similar.
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Starship has been in development for around the same amount of time and it has failed to even get into orbit so far.


Bogative said:
And just like the Apollo program, all of the hardware launched is at the bottom of the ocean or will end up in the trash heap.
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Where's all the used Starship hardware at the moment? I think almost all of it is at the bottom of various oceans, except for the booster they caught and that will end up on the trash heap.


Bogative said:
You are the one who brought up the Apollo program and compared Starship HLS to the other programs. No need to change tactics now that I have pointed out the fact that most large-scale space programs run into similar problems that SpaceX is having.
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Fair point. However, as things stand right now, SLS compares relatively favourably to Starship. It cost a little more per year ($2.3 billion in 2023) but it does have the advantage of having achieved orbit.
 
Seems like the foolish choice was fireworks and gasoline for his truck bomb rather than the type of truck. Maybe he just wanted to go out in a colourful cinematic fireball rather than do any damage. Odd.
 
theprestige said:
Nonsense. Refusing to contrast one expensive program with other similar programs, when leveling criticism, is special pleading.

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Look, if SpaceX is the only one doing this kind of thing, then you have no basis for criticism, because you have no basis for comparison. You have no idea what's actually practical, or possible. Maybe this is as good as it gets. Maybe this is how closely we can approximate what we aspire to. On the other hand, if SpaceX has peers engaged in similar endeavors, you do have a basis for criticism, but only in relation to the rest of the cohort.
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Starship is supposed to get people on the Moon. Apollo did tht. That seems like a reasonable comparison. How is Starship doing compared to Apollo?


theprestige said:
You can't say that SpaceX is doing a bad job,
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I can and do. They've done six test flights of Starship and have failed to reach orbit so far. According to Musk, it's costing about $2 billion a year which is in the same ballpark as SLS. They are years behind schedule.

Yes, I can say they are doing a bad job.

theprestige said:
and then reject comparisons to its peers that suggest it's actually doing a pretty good job relative to the rest of the cohort. Or rather, you can do that, but it makes you look silly.
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Just because SLS is more expensive and just as late doesn't mean Starship is going well.

theprestige said:
So either accept the comparisons, and render judgement accordingly, or reject the comparisons, and admit you have no basis for judging.
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I can judge them against their own stated goals and time scales. Starship is going badly.
 
novaphile said:
Hmm...

Just watched a youtube video where a guy rescued a AWD (but not off-road capable) Tesla from the snow.

It was a pretty frustrating experience for the guy with the tow truck, because the Tesla has no hitching points anywhere on the vehicle.
(He ended up having to dig a bit of a tunnel underneath the vehicle so that he could attach to something between the front wheels).

I can see the driver's mistake, expensive AWD vehicle, why not take it to the snow fields?

Unfortunately the battery protection under the car, makes it easy for the car to 'ski' up onto a mound of snow, leaving it (effectively) with four wheels in the air.

I cannot understand Tesla not providing any hitching/tie down points on the car though, that just seems weird.

(The tow-truck driver did pop off some plastic panels in a couple of places, hoping to find sockets/etc, but there was nothing behind those panels.)

I had thought that threaded holes that accept a ring bolt, for tow points, was a standard in the USA, I guess not.
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Tow points are not required on vehicles for the US, so there would not need to be a tow hook. Since many manufacturers export, they have similar or common components (typically front/rear impact beams) where the hook could be threaded into. If they are not exporting the Cybertruck, they would not waste the expense of manufacturing the beams with that functionality.
 
Disbelief said:
Tow points are not required on vehicles for the US, so there would not need to be a tow hook. Since many manufacturers export, they have similar or common components (typically front/rear impact beams) where the hook could be threaded into. If they are not exporting the Cybertruck, they would not waste the expense of manufacturing the beams with that functionality.
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Cybertruck has tow points front and rear.
 
jeremyp said:
I can and do. They've done six test flights of Starship and have failed to reach orbit so far. According to Musk, it's costing about $2 billion a year which is in the same ballpark as SLS. They are years behind schedule.

Yes, I can say they are doing a bad job.
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Because they haven't reached a goal that they haven't set?

None of those test flights were ever intended to get to orbit.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I'm just about to head over to the dump/recycling in our Tundra with about 5 large garbage bags*, a large bag of plastic, and a bunch of cardboard boxes and paper to recycle. One could do this in a van, I suppose, but garbage can be pretty leaky/stinky and hauling it in an open bed makes more sense.

In any case, maybe its just me, but I don't feel like I'm doing it just to be fashionable!

*Ours plus helping out a neighbor.
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and all the yard refuse. oil drip pans and gas cans. lots of stuff i don’t want on the interior of my van.

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well my bad idk how that showed up as a recent post for me. but my point stands.
 
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