Cont: Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla II

it stings a bit more for tesla to have made so many basic errors in truck design, which fair enough was their first try, because elon is such a douche bag. like, you put up with it because he’s supposed to be this brilliant genius and this is what he’s spent the last decade cooking up
 
Andy_Ross said:
They are standard on just about everything. My 1980s Escort XR3i had them.
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I just checked the manual for my car, and it has three points, two on the front, and one on the rear.
These are permanent metal loops.

So my 2014 Mitsubishi PHEV has a better recovery set up than a Tesla, that's really weird.

(Mitsi recommend that they only be used for getting the car out of a ditch, snow etc. and may be used to tow the vehicle short distances in an emergency, i.e. no petrol and no battery power. They recommend speeds at or below 30 mph, and a distance of no more than 30 miles.)

The rear mount is also usable to tow another vehicle in the same manner.

In my case, I'd probably use the 'receiver' for my tow bar, but that's not a standard item on the car.
 
dirtywick said:
it stings a bit more for tesla to have made so many basic errors in truck design, which fair enough was their first try, because elon is such a douche bag. like, you put up with it because he’s supposed to be this brilliant genius and this is what he’s spent the last decade cooking up
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Only in your mind.

Musk didn't design the Cybertruck, Tesla did. The lead designer at Tesla is Franz von Holzhausen, who is also responsible for the Tesla Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, and Semi. Before joining Tesla in 2008 he worked for Volkswagen on the design of the New Beetle, then for General Motors where he worked on the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice, and then as chief of design at Mazda where he designed the Kabura and Furai concept cars. That's a pretty impressive pedigree. BTW his father was also an industrial designer, and his wife Vicki was also an automotive designer at General Motors.

Musk supplied only an idea of what he wanted the truck to look like. He certainly would not have been involved in such mundane details as where to place towing hooks etc. That was the job of von Holzhausen and his team. As you say, they didn't get everything 'right' on their first go. Neither did Ford with the F-150 Lightning. Yet nobody is excoriating Jim Farley for its numerous design errors, despite him promoting it as a Cybertruck killer. The question is - why? You imply that Musk pretends to be 'this brilliant genius' when he's actually a dumbass. But where did he actually claim he was this brilliant genius? Only in your mind.

I'd say hiring Franz von Holzhausen was a genius move, but what would I know? You would never make any 'basic errors in truck design'. If it was your company you wouldn't hire someone from Volkswagen or GM, you would design the whole thing yourself - like you imagine Musk did - right?

For those who don't suffer from Musk Derangement Syndrome:-

 
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Bogative said:
You guess it is? Starship's other HLS competitor, the SLS, definitely is.

$30,000,000,000 in taxpayer money for one rocket launch that was 6 years late. Over 6 times what it is estimated that SpaceX has spent on the entire Starship program. I'm guessing they have an interior mockup somewhere, though.

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Space Launch System - Wikipedia

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One of the SLS mobile launch platforms was originally contracted to cost $343,000,000 and be completed in 2023. It is now estimated to cost $2.7 billion and not be ready until 2027. But do go on about Musk and the Starship program.

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NASA’s inspector general predicts continued cost growth for SLS mobile launch platform

A contract to build a second mobile launch platform for the Space Launch System could end up costing NASA more than six times its original value.
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I see you're keeping up your years' long streak of never telling the truth.
 
novaphile said:
Hmm...

Just watched a youtube video where a guy rescued a AWD (but not off-road capable) Tesla from the snow.

It was a pretty frustrating experience for the guy with the tow truck, because the Tesla has no hitching points anywhere on the vehicle.
(He ended up having to dig a bit of a tunnel underneath the vehicle so that he could attach to something between the front wheels).

I can see the driver's mistake, expensive AWD vehicle, why not take it to the snow fields?

Unfortunately the battery protection under the car, makes it easy for the car to 'ski' up onto a mound of snow, leaving it (effectively) with four wheels in the air.
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novaphile said:
I cannot understand Tesla not providing any hitching/tie down points on the car though, that just seems weird.

(The tow-truck driver did pop off some plastic panels in a couple of places, hoping to find sockets/etc, but there was nothing behind those panels.)

I had thought that threaded holes that accept a ring bolt, for tow points, was a standard in the USA, I guess not.
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Cheaping out on construction costs. Tesla has a reputiation for amazingly bad build quality for good reason.

Trying to fix up the hilite tags inserting extra spaces caused me to split your post without meaning to.
 
Anxious that he's just not being talked about or taken seriously enough, Musk has reportedly changed his name on X, to "Kekius Maximus" and his profile picture to Pepe the frog in Roman armour.
 
jeremyp said:
SLS has taken a capsule around the Moon and brought it back safely.
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Yes, and it took $32,000,000,000 US taxpayer dollars(2024) and 11 years to make it happen. Much longer than it took the Apollo program to accomplish something similar. And just like the Apollo program, all of the hardware launched is at the bottom of the ocean or will end up in the trash heap.


jeremyp said:
Anyway, this thread is about Musk ands SpaceX. Bringing other very expensive programmes into the conversation is whataboutery,
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You are the one who brought up the Apollo program and compared Starship HLS to the other programs. No need to change tactics now that I have pointed out the fact that most large-scale space programs run into similar problems that SpaceX is having.
 
jeremyp said:
Anyway, this thread is about Musk ands SpaceX. Bringing other very expensive programmes into the conversation is whataboutery.
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Nonsense. Refusing to contrast one expensive program with other similar programs, when leveling criticism, is special pleading.

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Look, if SpaceX is the only one doing this kind of thing, then you have no basis for criticism, because you have no basis for comparison. You have no idea what's actually practical, or possible. Maybe this is as good as it gets. Maybe this is how closely we can approximate what we aspire to. On the other hand, if SpaceX has peers engaged in similar endeavors, you do have a basis for criticism, but only in relation to the rest of the cohort.

You can't say that SpaceX is doing a bad job, and then reject comparisons to its peers that suggest it's actually doing a pretty good job relative to the rest of the cohort. Or rather, you can do that, but it makes you look silly.

So either accept the comparisons, and render judgement accordingly, or reject the comparisons, and admit you have no basis for judging.
 
From Musk “…In a statement posted to X, Tesla CEO Elon Musk wrote: “The whole Tesla senior team is investigating this matter right now. Will post more information as soon as we learn anything. We’ve never seen anything like this.”…”
 
Darat said:
From Musk “…In a statement posted to X, Tesla CEO Elon Musk wrote: “The whole Tesla senior team is investigating this matter right now. Will post more information as soon as we learn anything. We’ve never seen anything like this.”…”
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... but we're secretly replacing batteries.
 
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