Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Darat said:
As I said in my post that you quoted: "... I thought you were at least discussing this matter in good faith, it is obvious now that you aren't...."
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Which explains nothing and didn't answer my question.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Yes I do find the (many) posts where you lie about what other forum members are saying pretty disgusting.
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But, as usual, you don't specify what you claim.
Gulliver Foyle said:
But then again your monomaniacal obsession over this topic prevents you from having an honest discussion about it.
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Again, not demonstrated. Perhaps you need to think a little more before posting GF.
 
Darat said:
It explains why I don't consider having a discussion with you is worth my time nor effort, your bad faith "questions" are not to elicit a discussion.
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It's noted that your accusation isn't substantiated. I did try.
 
I'm gonna go way out on a limb and theorise that hookup culture is on the rise because it's something fun to do that doesn't cost very much up front, not because porn is giving the youth ideas about hookup culture.
 
Poem said:
What is the 'primary contributor' then?
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The dissolution of the nuclear family, the advent of cheap and effective birth control, and the sexual revolution. Which, in case you forgot, preceded the explosion of porn. Porn is a side effect, not the primary cause.

People don’t need porn to want to have lots of consequence-free sex. All they need is a lack of obvious consequences. The problem is that there are still non-obvious consequences, and no way to remove them.
Poem said:
You have said that porn is harmful and surely acknowledge that porn also 'inhibits stable relationship formation and therefore undermines societal cohesion'?
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Sure. And? That’s still different than rape.
 
Ziggurat said:
The dissolution of the nuclear family, the advent of cheap and effective birth control, and the sexual revolution. Which, in case you forgot, preceded the explosion of porn. Porn is a side effect, not the primary cause.
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Wikipedia mentions porn in the same breath as the sexual revolution.
Ziggurat said:
People don’t need porn to want to have lots of consequence-free sex. All they need is a lack of obvious consequences. The problem is that there are still non-obvious consequences, and no way to remove them.
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Freedom to have actual real sex has blossomed as porn has, surely? They are two versions of the same thing.
Ziggurat said:
Sure. And? That’s still different than rape.
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i didn't mention rape....whatever...you agree.
 
Poem said:
Freedom to have actual real sex has blossomed as porn has, surely? They are two versions of the same thing.
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Two versions of the same thing? I think you need to unpack this, it doesn't make sense without knowing your intended context.
 
Lithrael said:
Two versions of the same thing? I think you need to unpack this, it doesn't make sense without knowing your intended context.
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Emancipate physical sex but proscribe porn....is likely? Real sex occurs in porn thus the lines are blurred.
 
???? People engaging in casual sex for their own gratification in real life and people getting paid to have sex on a set in front of a camera are just... monumentally different. I don't think I am understanding your angle.
 
Lithrael said:
???? People engaging in casual sex for their own gratification in real life and people getting paid to have sex on a set in front of a camera are just... monumentally different. I don't think I am understanding your angle.
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The context (of this particular discussion) is the sexual revolution. Societal permissiveness re real sex and the legalization of porn are part of the same cultural shift.

I think so, anyway.
 
Poem said:
Wikipedia mentions porn in the same breath as the sexual revolution.
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Wikipedia isn't authoritative.
Poem said:
Freedom to have actual real sex has blossomed as porn has, surely?
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No. The sexual revolution happened first. Technology later allowed a massive increase in porn, starting with VHS and later the Internet, but the sexual revolution came before that.
 
Poem said:
But, as usual, you don't specify what you claim.

Again, not demonstrated. Perhaps you need to think a little more before posting GF.
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Poem: this is how bad it is. You are forcing me to agree with Gulliver Foyle. This happens rarely, if ever, and I can't believe I'm having to do this.
GF is right: you have a total obsession with this topic. By way of demonstration, can anyone show any other thread where Poem is active? I am not aware of any this appears to be the only thing Poem wants to talk about.
Your lack of good faith hs been amply demonstrated- I have noted some incidents of this myself. Your refusal to accept or acknowledge this only strengthens the accusations against you.
Your posts display a monomanical zeal, an unhealthy obsession with porn, and a deeply puritanical and prudish attitude that you wish to impose on the world. In case you were in doubt: these are not good things.
 
Ziggurat said:
Wikipedia isn't authoritative.

No. The sexual revolution happened first. Technology later allowed a massive increase in porn, starting with VHS and later the Internet, but the sexual revolution came before that.
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Playboy was first published in 1953 (and included a nude photo of Marilyn Munroe). According to Britannica:

The “Playboy Philosophy,” articulated by Hefner himself in the pages of the magazine, advocated complete personal freedom (for both men and women) in all things, including sex. Through its support of that belief and its popularization of the notion that viewing sexually suggestive photography of women was not only acceptable but healthy, it contributed to the so-called sexual revolution in the United States in the 1960s, marked by greatly more permissive attitudes toward sexual interest and activity than had been prevalent in earlier generations.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Poem: this is how bad it is. You are forcing me to agree with Gulliver Foyle. This happens rarely, if ever, and I can't believe I'm having to do this.
GF is right: you have a total obsession with this topic. By way of demonstration, can anyone show any other thread where Poem is active? I am not aware of any this appears to be the only thing Poem wants to talk about.
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Ad hominem:
This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.

Did your post address my argument? No it didn't. Did it attack the fact that I'm only currently active on this thread (ie an irrelevant aspect of my person)? Yes it did.

According to the Foundation for Economic Education:
"...ad hominem attacks are generally viewed as a sign of low intelligence. Even Urban Dictionary—hardly a forum for high brows—recognizes that ad hominem arguments are generally used “by immature and/or unintelligent people because they are unable to counter their opponent using logic and intelligence.”
Cosmic Yak said:
Your lack of good faith hs been amply demonstrated- I have noted some incidents of this myself. Your refusal to accept or acknowledge this only strengthens the accusations against you.
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But none demonstrated.
Cosmic Yak said:
Your posts display a monomanical zeal, an unhealthy obsession with porn, and a deeply puritanical and prudish attitude that you wish to impose on the world. In case you were in doubt: these are not good things.
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Ad hominem again.

All you have shown is that I continue to post on this thread and not on other threads; that is hardly relevant or interesting.
 
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