Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
Nobody is going to compare hardcore porn with uncovered hair.
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Why not? There are billions who believe that uncovered hair (only female hair, though) is immoral. Millions of them believe it fervently enough to advocate or practice the direct or indirect use of force, including legal bans, to prevent it.

I can and do compare that to your advocacy of the indirect use of force, a legal ban, to prevent access to all pictures of genitalia for everyone, based on your own personal opinions about what is and is not moral.

Poem said:
Such as?
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Recreational air travel, consumer financing interest rates exceeding 3x the inflation rate, predatory pharmaceutical pricing, violence against women's health care or family planning services, parking space minimum requirements in business zoning laws, FGM, castes, jihad, and plastic clamshell packaging. If you want to actually discuss why I believe any of them is immoral, and/or what should or shouldn't be done about them, please start a new thread as it would be off topic here. The point is that a personal opinion that something is immoral is far from a sufficient argument for making it illegal.
 
Lithrael said:
Just an interested observer. I do find it interesting that the biblical scholarly takes are usually pretty sensible (or at least grounded) but the popular interpretations are much more 'broad justification for judging people,' influenced by things like, as in this example, figures who were mad about all the sex going on between people who were supposed to be religiously celibate.
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Interesting.

One could bring up the subject of how polygamy is tolerated in scripture and contrast it with Jesus's proscription of merely looking with lust...that it is adultery of the heart.

One might also wonder at Solomon's sex life with 700 wives and 300 concubines....and all without ANY explicit proscription.
 
Lithrael said:
Just an interested observer. I do find it interesting that the biblical scholarly takes are usually pretty sensible (or at least grounded) but the popular interpretations are much more 'broad justification for judging people,' influenced by things like, as in this example, figures who were mad about all the sex going on between people who were supposed to be religiously celibate.
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Have you looked into https://internationalskeptics.com/f...-describe-many-societies.370195/post-14463548
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Oh, yeah, imo there are a lot of signs that early Christianity was essentially an apocalypse cult with an unusually positive disposition, and things got very awkward when the end of the world never happened.

But it's absolutely par for the course for a religion to just sorta wallpaper over an embarrassment like that and keep going.
 
Lithrael said:
Oh, yeah, imo there are a lot of signs that early Christianity was essentially an apocalypse cult with an unusually positive disposition, and things got very awkward when the end of the world never happened.

But it's absolutely par for the course for a religion to just sorta wallpaper over an embarrassment like that and keep going.
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Indeed...ta.

Digression over.
 
Nah, deleted.


eta again: Onan the Barbarian. That's a cool name for a handle! If anyone wants it, then thou mayst have it, with my blessings. On one condition, that thou make out thy sig in Biblical-speak.
 
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Chanakya said:
But why speakest thou like the pharisees and the gentiles and the romans doth --- like everyone and their uncle doth --- in the Bible, o thou Poem? Why sayest thou onanism when thou mightst hath saith masturbation? O tell us that, O thou Poem.


And also, art thou a fan of onanism? Yea or nay, O thou Poem? Dost thou always use this usage, rather than masturbate? Or is it sometimes the one, other times the other?


eta: I'm like 99.9% sure this is the first time I've actually used the word onanism, either in writing or in speech. I'm half thinking, or at least, not quite half, but maybe 7.257% thinking, of maybe starting a thread with a poll asking people how many have done that.
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Twas good enough for Boris Johnson.
 
Poem said:
Twas good enough for Boris Johnson.
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haha, I posted that on impulse, then deleted it. Looks like you responded immediately, before my edit!

Really? Boris Johnson talks about onanism, and uses the term onanism instead of masturbation? How curious.
 
Myriad said:
It was? Then why was he married three times?

Ok, actually that could be the reason he was married three times, if his ex-wives didn't approve.
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I meant the word was used by Bojo.

I guess I can quote him:

"Citing a report from MI5 on the profile of jihadis, the mayor of London said: “If you look at all the psychological profiling about bombers, they typically will look at porn. They are literally wankers. Severe onanists.”
 
Fair enough, then. Thou mightst not have a better role model than the noble BoJo.

Go thou, and masturbate no more! Onanate, instead, all thou want.
 
Ziggurat said:
I don’t think porn causes hookup culture. It doesn’t help, but it’s not a primary contributor.
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Why not? What could be a clearer lesson in what adults consider as sexually exciting than porn? It's real sex as you acknowledged. Yes, a lot of it is extreme - but much of it will be actually realizable.

What is the 'primary contributor' then?
Ziggurat said:
And the problem with it is that it inhibits stable relationship formation and therefore undermines societal cohesion.

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This is one woman's rationale for hookup culture; I doubt the average teenage uses such or similar logic to justify whatever they do sexually.

You have said that porn is harmful and surely acknowledge that porn also 'inhibits stable relationship formation and therefore undermines societal cohesion'?
 
Anyone care to comment on this post (below) from sackett? I replied that:
'Helping them' in the UK (at least) would result in a lengthy prison sentence.

I assume most here would wonder at the morality of such a post?

sackett said:
Regarding the effects of pornography on children, all I can contribute are my own recollections.

In my childhood, porn was scarce, and valuable to the point of being treasured. Prepubescents as much as randy teens, and girls as avidly as boys, hoped just for glimpses and consumed them excitedly.

Back in those days, remember, porn was about all the sex education we got. (The very few printed "guides to growing up" we encountered were porn in themselves, and circulated just as furtively.) "Durty pitchers" can provide only very basic instruction -- but b'god it was useful, maybe sufficient for our simple country needs, and, importantly, it was encouraging. Here were grownups validating our primordial horniness! Grownups from towns and cities! Damn right it did us good!

These kids nowadays have to scroll and fast forward through all that tiresome adultoid fantasy to get to the essential jollies. Poor tykes. I'd help them if I could.
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sackett said:
Haha
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What is funny sackett?
 
Poem said:
Anyone care to comment on this post (below) from sackett? I replied that:
'Helping them' in the UK (at least) would result in a lengthy prison sentence.

I assume most here would wonder at the morality of such a post?
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Maybe you should ponder on the meaning of the last three words of the post.
 
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