Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

I think we all know that acbytesla has spent the last few hours frantically googling for backup for his stated certainty that cis males are "100 times" more threatening to women than transgender women (a statistic he pulled, what's the term? oh yes "right out of his ass") and is rather upset that he can only find figures that support Rolfe's position. It must be rather galling for him.
 
Well, we know the figures have been crunched more than once, and always with about the same result. Some people have suggested that as many as half the "transwomen" in prison are suffering from "prison-onset gender dysphoria" simply to get a cushier time in the women's estate. That's as maybe, but even if you grant that, it still leaves genuinely trans-identifying males two and a half times more of a risk than other males.
 
I think we all know that acbytesla has spent the last few hours frantically googling for backup for his stated certainty that cis males are "100 times" more threatening to women than transgender women (a statistic he pulled, what's the term? oh yes "right out of his ass") and is rather upset that he can only find figures that support Rolfe's position. It must be rather galling for him.
The thing is, it wouldn't even matter if he was correct, because self ID means that there is no possible way, EVEN IN PRINCIPLE, to tell the difference between cis males and transgender women. So even if the risk is only from cis males, self ID still means that you're exposing women to the threat of cis males.
 
I think we all know that acbytesla has spent the last few hours frantically googling for backup for his stated certainty that cis males are "100 times" more threatening to women than transgender women (a statistic he pulled, what's the term? oh yes "right out of his ass") and is rather upset that he can only find figures that support Rolfe's position. It must be rather galling for him.

Aka the "argumentum ex rectum" ;) (Well, ok, it's just a cute name for a subclass of the ipse dixit fallacy -- literally, because he said so himself -- especially when it happens repeatedly. See also "truthiness".)
 
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.l.. any minute now....
You got me. I practiced a bit of hyperbole. Now where's your credible evidence for assaults committed by Trans individuals in public restrooms. After all, that is your argument isn't it? That the women folk need protection from the invisible scourge of transgenderism. That we should halt gender affirming care. That we turn transgenderism into a criminal offense.
 
That's a textbook slippery slope fallacy. Nobody here said that they want to make transgenderism a criminal offence. As a former trans, I don't, that's for sure. Nor that anyone should halt any care, except for irreversible stuff for children. Come back when you actually have an argument that doesn't rely on slippery slope delusions.
 
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If "gender affirming care" is actually harming patients, as it seems very likely it is, it ought to be stopped. And if men go into women's single-sex spaces despite this being clearly prohibited, there has to be some sort of sanction. Voyeurism is already a criminal offence, and indeed it was because he was caught committing that relatively low-level sexual offence that Dominique Pellicot's rape offences were discovered.
 
Well, I'm still OK with people doing WTH harm they want to themselves if they're adults. Not to others, but if it's just them wanting to amputate a healthy leg (see, Body Integrity Identity Disorder, aka, Body Integrity Dysphoria) or lopping their own todger off, eh, I've always said we need more volunteers for the Darwin Awards (which making oneself sterile does qualify for) to delay the inevitable onset of the idiocracy :p

Told you since 2009 that I wasn't a nice person :p

It's just when children are told by figures of authority that the reason why they're awkward isn't, say, Asperger's but that they need to be in a different body, that gets my blood boiling.

As for voyeurism and access to women's safe spaces, I wasn't talking about that. Just about his slippery slope. For what it's worth, even in my trans-fantasy days I never even imagine going to the girls' toilet or anything. I DID however like to play basketball with the girls, rather than football with the guys, also because, well, I liked round things going boing-boing and sometimes it even meant the ball ;) It really wasn't any competitive stuff, just the PE teacher going, right, the girls in the class go inside play basketball, the boys play football outside. And I never changed together with them. Also I made it a point to immediately pass the ball than shoot at the basket. Judge that as you will, I make no apologies.
 
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You got me. I practiced a bit of hyperbole. Now where's your credible evidence for assaults committed by Trans individuals in public restrooms. After all, that is your argument isn't it?

No. As you would know if you bothered to actually read our posts.
 
You got me. I practiced a bit of hyperbole. Now where's your credible evidence for assaults committed by Trans individuals in public restrooms. After all, that is your argument isn't it? That the women folk need protection from the invisible scourge of transgenderism. That we should halt gender affirming care. That we turn transgenderism into a criminal offense.
Wow. It's not just statistics that you pull out of your ass. It's entire arguments as well.
 
Well, I'm still OK with people doing WTH harm they want to themselves if they're adults. Not to others, but if it's just them wanting to amputate a healthy leg (see, Body Integrity Identity Disorder, aka, Body Integrity Dysphoria) or lopping their own todger off, eh, I've always said we need more volunteers for the Darwin Awards (which making oneself sterile does qualify for) to delay the inevitable onset of the idiocracy :p

Told you since 2009 that I wasn't a nice person :p

It's just when children are told by figures of authority that the reason why they're awkward isn't, say, Asperger's but that they need to be in a different body, that gets my blood boiling.

This isn't just adults doing whatever harm they want to do to themselves (and a fair chunk of the speciality of psychiatry is premissed on the proposition that we really ought to try to stop them doing that if we can), it's the medical profession actively doing that harm. They may want to lop off healthy body parts, but surgeons should not be doing that for them.

I don't think people should be left alone with self-destructive thoughts until they get to the point of self-destruction, and I don't think the medical profession should switch its focus from trying to help them with these thoughts to actively co-operating in the self-destruction.
 
That IS an ongoing discussion in psychiatry circles about the Body Integrity Identity Disorder, aka, Body Integrity Dysphoria. Me, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm just an ass. I'm in fact the Sagittarius A* of asses. I have smaller asses orbiting around me ;)
 
Well, we know the figures have been crunched more than once, and always with about the same result. Some people have suggested that as many as half the "transwomen" in prison are suffering from "prison-onset gender dysphoria" simply to get a cushier time in the women's estate. That's as maybe, but even if you grant that, it still leaves genuinely trans-identifying males two and a half times more of a risk than other males.
Again, you make another nonsense claim.
 
Me: All I ask is for a rational approach to the problem of fiat self-ID in women's restrooms.

"Skeptic" TRAs: I'm sorry, I can't hear you over how ignoring science and data I am.
 
BULL! RIght out of your ass.
Wrong. Rolfe has actually presented you with the UK government corrections figures as evidence you asked for.... NOT a poll, NOT an estimate, but a hard, head count of actual numbers. The fact that you pretended she didn't and then lied about it does not make those figures "bull"!!
 
Wrong. Rolfe has actually presented you with the UK government corrections figures as evidence you asked for.... NOT a poll, NOT an estimate, but a hard, head count of actual numbers. The fact that you pretended she didn't and then lied about it does not make those figures "bull"!!
No he didn't. He said it came out of analysis of prison population in England and Wales. And then didn’t present the analysis. And by the way, what relevance to prison inmates have to do with public restrooms?
 
No he didn't. He said it came out of analysis of prison population in England and Wales. And then didn’t present the analysis. And by the way, what relevance to prison inmates have to do with public restrooms?
It has to do with the relative risk of sexual assault from cis men vs trans women. Did you forget you made a claim about that?
 
Sigh. If I post this again I'll probably be banned for spamming.


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