Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Poem]

You are demonstrably intent on imposing your own morality on others.

Have the porn advocates imposed their 'morality' on the naysayers?

 

[Myriad]

How about making sure FIRST that children won't be exposed and then consider making porn available to those that want it afterwards?

Would you prescribe the same for guns? They're demonstrably harmful to children and children keep getting their hands on them and/or getting shot by them despite the obviously ineffectual measures in place to keep them away.

How about for motor vehicles? Like guns, those things kill children by the thousands. Do you really want to keep on killing children just because you're too lazy to walk?

The statistics for harm to children as a result of participating in religion and coming into contact with religious leaders are pretty alarming too. How about making sure FIRST that children won't be exposed to religion (by, of course, the only fully effective means possible, banning religion completely) and then consider making religion available (preferably under the strictest government oversight and control) to adults that want it afterwards?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Have the porn advocates imposed their 'morality' on the naysayers?

I have not seen anyone here demanding that it be compulsory to watch porn, so no, they haven't.
You knew that, of course.

 

[theprestige]

Would you prescribe the same for guns? They're demonstrably harmful to children and children keep getting their hands on them and/or getting shot by them despite the obviously ineffectual measures in place to keep them away.

How about for motor vehicles? Like guns, those things kill children by the thousands. Do you really want to keep on killing children just because you're too lazy to walk?

The statistics for harm to children as a result of participating in religion and coming into contact with religious leaders are pretty alarming too. How about making sure FIRST that children won't be exposed to religion (by, of course, the only fully effective means possible, banning religion completely) and then consider making religion available (preferably under the strictest government oversight and control) to adults that want it afterwards?

You slip into the booth and put a token in the slot. A screen rises up, and on the other side of a glass wall a priest delivers a sermon.

 

[Poem]

Of course, kids who grow up carrying the equivalent of a photographic studio and a telecommunications station in their pockets would never think of taking and sharing photographs of themselves, unless they saw some porn.

This isn't 2 + 2 = 5 level of absurdity, it's more like 2 + 2 = potato.

This does not address what I said. Adults have normalized anything goes sex and put it on full display. Children are stumbling over it, curious about it, or just simply looking for it. If the normal was zero porn - then it would be clear to them that it is not acceptable.

"Developmental psychologists have always known children learn by imitating adults."

If there was a porn ban then it may be possible for automatic flagging of sexting.

Why can't you just acknowledge that we have let children down?

 

[Darat]

So you would also ban adults from sharing sexualised images of themselves with people they choose?

Your solutions sound more extreme by the day!

 

[Darat]

This does not address what I said. Adults have normalized anything goes sex and put it on full display. Children are stumbling over it, curious about it, or just simply looking for it. If the normal was zero porn - then it would be clear to them that it is not acceptable.

"Developmental psychologists have always known children learn by imitating adults."

If there was a porn ban then it may be possible for automatic flagging of sexting.

Why can't you just acknowledge that we have let children down?

Less of the we please. I certainly haven't let any kids down.

 

[Poem]

So you would also ban adults from sharing sexualised images of themselves with people they choose?

Nobody is or should be banned from expressing themselves sexually in private. Responsible adults do take proper measures to prevent childhood exposure.

How about adults actually behaving like proper adults for once?

Your solutions sound more extreme by the day!

Or you are ignoring what experts describe as 'severe harm'? What have you posted that actually deals with that extremely uncomfortable fact?

 

[Poem]

That happens when legislation is carefully drafted and/or there's been plenty of time for case precedents to be set. Poem's proposed "not taking proper measures to prevent a child being exposed to sexual activities by others" is unacceptable as language for anyone to be prosecuting or defending anyone's property or freedom in court.

Not my proposal Myriad, but UK law (including guidance from NSPCC)

Unacceptable?
International Comparative Legal Guides (ICLG):
In a decision handed down on 15 February (2024), the Court of Appeal of England and Wales has upheld a finding that a mother and a father sexually abused their seven-year-old daughter by repeatedly exposing her to inappropriate adult sexual material, such as pornography and sexual images, on their mobile phones and other devices.

Replace 'mother and father' with 'most of society' and you have a pretty strong correlation.

How, for instance, would that not apply to ordinary visual aids being used in a sex education course? In this day and age even basic math concepts are taught with the aid of illustrations, video, and interactive graphics. Requiring sex education to be taught by text alone would be a hair's breadth from banning sex education course materials altogether. Perhaps that's also a result Poem desires, but that should be explicitly stated rather than snuck in under the cover of some excessively broad law.

Naturally, where children are concerned, there is no need to be explicit in sex education.

 

[Poem]

Less of the we please. I certainly haven't let any kids down.

Is childhood exposure to porn harmful? Have we as a society made certain they aren't thus exposed? Every click on a tube porn site generates income for the industry and thus fuels it.

The Children's Commissioner (UK):
We find that pornography exposure is widespread and normalised – to the extent that children cannot ‘opt-out’.

 

[Darat]

Nobody is or should be banned from expressing themselves sexually in private. Responsible adults do take proper measures to prevent childhood exposure.

How about adults actually behaving like proper adults for once?

Or you are ignoring what experts describe as 'severe harm'? What have you posted that actually deals with that extremely uncomfortable fact?

Can we deal with one thing at a time, you just said there would be automatic flagging of sexting. Who would it be flagged to? And for this to work you'd also need to either ban all messaging apps that use end to end encryption or force such apps to give the flagging authority the keys necessary to access our private messages.

 

[Darat]

Is childhood exposure to porn harmful? Have we as a society made certain they aren't thus exposed? Every click on a tube porn site generates income for the industry and thus fuels it.

The Children's Commissioner (UK):
We find that pornography exposure is widespread and normalised – to the extent that children cannot ‘opt-out’.

Again don't include me in your we. You may allow children to access porn on your devices but I certainly don't. No child has ever used any device I have control of to view porn in the 30 plus years I've been using devices that allow online access.

 

[Poem]

Again don't include me in your we. You may allow children to access porn on your devices but I certainly don't. No child has ever used any device I have control of to view porn in the 30 plus years I've been using devices that allow online access.

That doesn't deal with what I actually said.

 

[Poem]

Can we deal with one thing at a time, you just said there would be automatic flagging of sexting. Who would it be flagged to? And for this to work you'd also need to either ban all messaging apps that use end to end encryption or force such apps to give the flagging authority the keys necessary to access our private messages.

I suggested the possibility.

Paedophiles use encryption and the dark net to see and swap content - should we just give up and let them get on with it?

Again, your post implies a trivialization of the serious harms caused to children.

 

[Darat]

I suggested the possibility.

Paedophiles use encryption and the dark net to see and swap content - should we just give up and let them get on with it?

Again, your post implies a trivialization of the serious harms caused to children.

My post said:

Can we deal with one thing at a time, you just said there would be automatic flagging of sexting. Who would it be flagged to? And for this to work you'd also need to either ban all messaging apps that use end to end encryption or force such apps to give the flagging authority the keys necessary to access our private messages.

Could you know address what I posted?

 

[Poem]

Could you know address what I posted?

Rather than deal with the harms to children you want to talk about the rights of folk to sext? I don't care about people's rights to do that. Normalizing porn has normalized sexting. If we deemed porn what it actually is (yes it is obscene and harmful), then maybe...just maybe, sexting would not be normalized.

 

[Poem]

Would you prescribe the same for guns? They're demonstrably harmful to children and children keep getting their hands on them and/or getting shot by them despite the obviously ineffectual measures in place to keep them away.

Yes and the UK has.

How about for motor vehicles? Like guns, those things kill children by the thousands. Do you really want to keep on killing children just because you're too lazy to walk?

Do you suggest we ban ambulances, fire engines and police cars?

Does transport have utility?

The statistics for harm to children as a result of participating in religion and coming into contact with religious leaders are pretty alarming too. How about making sure FIRST that children won't be exposed to religion (by, of course, the only fully effective means possible, banning religion completely) and then consider making religion available (preferably under the strictest government oversight and control) to adults that want it afterwards?

You mean bad actors who pretend to be good people?

 

[Poem]

I have not seen anyone here demanding that it be compulsory to watch porn, so no, they haven't.
You knew that, of course.

Whilst it is true that one can as an adult, with some care, avoid porn - the effects on society are incontrovertible and young people are stumbling over it. Porn advocates have imposed their own 'morality' on society; the culture has shifted seismically. We should be 'horrified' by what children are seeing. Rachel de Souza:

"We’ll look back in 20 years and be absolutely stunned that our children were exposed to so much harm online...I’m seeing eight-year-olds and nine-year-olds – a massive percentage of underage children – on these websites and social media. If parents actually knew what their children were seeing they would be really worried."

 

[Poem]

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Ignored #1323:

Instead of putting up hurdles, why not deal with what I actually said about society effectively leaving porn strewn just about everywhere for young people to stumble upon? Do you acknowledge that that is wrong? Seriously wrong? I quoted from the Guardian but you didn't acknowledge it.

 

[Myriad]

Yes and the UK has.

Okay, at least you're somewhat consistent on this. But this also tells me you're just talking wishes here, with no regard for political feasibility. Gun control in the U.S. has been discussed and debated for decades, with no sign of consensus or political will for change.

Do you suggest we ban ambulances, fire engines and police cars?

Suppose we keep ambulances, fire engines, and police cars, and ban all other motorized vehicles? That would keep the children safest.

Does transport have utility?

Not motor vehicle transport (other than the ones listed above). Waking, paddling, cycling, horses, or sailing will get you there eventually. For the infirm or disabled there are carts, carriages, rickshaws, and wheelchairs. Nothing that can be hauled by motor vehicle cannot also be hauled by wheelbarrows, barges, or sledges dragged by teams of hundreds of laborers hauling on long ropes. This is for the children, remember. Don't tell me you're not willing to spend your days hauling on a rope to save children's lives!