Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Ziggurat]

Yes it has.

No, it has not.

It has been tested. And mental wellness is desired and beneficial.

You will search in vain for any study of what happens to kids who take puberty blockers for gender dysphoria but then stop without going on cross sex hormones. No such studies exist, because almost all kids treated with puberty blockers go on to take cross sex hormones. That alone is concerning. But even the studies on kids who go on to take cross sex hormones don't really examine medical outcomes, and NONE of them examine long term outcomes of any kind.

So no, they have not been tested for safety at all, and their efficacy measurements are all short term and not very convincing.

 

[acbytesla]

No, it has not.

You will search in vain for any study of what happens to kids who take puberty blockers for gender dysphoria but then stop without going on cross sex hormones. No such studies exist, because almost all kids treated with puberty blockers go on to take cross sex hormones. That alone is concerning. But even the studies on kids who go on to take cross sex hormones don't really examine medical outcomes, and NONE of them examine long term outcomes of any kind.

So no, they have not been tested for safety at all, and their efficacy measurements are all short term and not very convincing.

That in fact is nonsense. A quick Google Scholar search shows multiple studies.

 

[Ziggurat]

That in fact is nonsense. A quick Google Scholar search shows multiple studies.

Have you actually read them? I bet you have not. They will not show what you think they show.

 

[acbytesla]

Have you actually read them? I bet you have not. They will not show what you think they show.

Yeah they do.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yeah they do.

Then provide links.

 

[Pixel42]

That in fact is nonsense. A quick Google Scholar search shows multiple studies.

York University did far more than "a quick Google Scholar search", they did a systematic review. You'll find the results in the Cass review, if you ever bother to read it.

 

[theprestige]

Then provide links.

Remember when acbytesla dropped into this thread, making a big deal out of needing to see links to sources of claims? Pepperidge Farms etc.

 

[Matthew Best]

I wonder how much evidence it will take before acbytesla leaves and tells everyone how toxic this thread is?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

On issues that only effect one sex, I don't see any good reason to give the opposite sex a vote.

If a politician decides to self-identify as the opposite sex, are they then entitled to vote on matters that you say only affect their newly-changed sex?

 

[smartcooky]

Then provide links.

**** crickets ****

 

[Aber]

I suspect that there are major flaws in the census count

Yes there probably are, but not in the direction you believe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles...r of transgender people,to their sex at birth.

But on Wednesday, Mary Gregory - a deputy director at the ONS - said some people may have misunderstood the question.

Writing on the ONS's website, she said there was "potential bias" in how the question was answered "by those who responded that they had lower levels of English proficiency, some of whom may have mistakenly given an answer suggesting they were trans".

 

[smartcooky]

No, it won't.

You have absolutely no idea how many transgender people are out there. And how hard it is to tell what their actual biological sex is. I guarantee you would have a very hard time differentiating a trans-female from a CIS--female. I personally know dozens of transgender individuals and I can't do it. It's almost embarrassing to say this since I'm a straight CIS male. But some of the most attractive women I've met are men.

If you think detecting transwoman as male is difficult, you are living in a fool's paradise... and if you can't see that the above specimins of humanity are males, you need to pay a visit to Specsavers.

No transwoman has ever fooled me. I have occasionally had trouble telling from a photo, but every one I have ever seen in person (and being in the retail business for over 30 years, I have met many dozens) I twigged to it immediately.

 

[smartcooky]

Despite all the evidence free assertions from acbytesla that puberty blockers are reversible, there is absolutelty NO scientific study that shows this to be the case. No other drugs or medicines are allowed to be used or prescribed (outside of strictly controlled drug trials) while the long term and side effects are still unknown. I see no reason why Puberty Blockers should be any different. When the fully ideologically-captured NZ medical profession starts to call the reversibiilty of PBs into question, you know that the Gender Affirming Care industry is headed for trouble.

Puberty Blockers Not “Safe & Reversible” - Ministry Of Health

Family First NZ is welcoming an overdue turnaround in the Ministry of Health’s policy on puberty blockers for young people with gender dysphoria. Up until last week the Ministry of Health stated that “ Puberty Blockers are a safe and fully ...

www.scoop.co.nz

Up until last week the Ministry of Health stated that “Puberty Blockers are a safe and fully reversible medicine that maybe used from early puberty through to later adolescence to help ease distress and allow time to fully explore gender health options.”​

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But last Friday that advice was quietly changed by the Ministry. “Safe and fully reversible medicine” has been removed and replaced with “Blockers are sometimes used from early puberty through to later adolescence to allow time to fully explore gender health options.”​

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Medical professionals and medical groups – including The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists (RANZCP) – recently sounded growing international concern around the use of puberty blockers to treat young people with gender dysphoria because of the low certainty of benefits but the significant potential for medical harm.​

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Britain’s NHS recently withdrew a claim that the effects of puberty blockers are “fully reversible”​

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Sweden’s leading gender clinic - Stockholm’s Astrid Lindgren children’s hospital– recently ended routine treatment of minors under the age of 18 with puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones,​

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Finland revised its treatment guidelines in June 2020, prioritising psychological interventions and support over medical interventions, particularly for youth with post-pubertal onset of gender dysphoria.​

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Professor Christopher Gillberg, an expert in child and adolescent psychiatry, and who gave expert evidence in the British High Court regarding Keira Bell’s harmful transitioning believes prescribing drugs to delay puberty is a scandal and tantamount to conducting ‘a live experiment’ on vulnerable children. He said “In my years as a physician, I cannot remember an issue of greater significance for the practice of medicine. We have left established evidence-based clinical practice and are using powerful life-altering medication for a vulnerable group of adolescents and children based upon a belief.”​

Pubert blockers for Under 18s are banned in the UK...

Puberty blockers: Indefinite ban to be introduced

Health Secretary Wes Streeting says the way the drugs have been used is a "scandal" following a review.

www.bbc.com

They are about to be banned in Northern Ireland...

Puberty blockers set for indefinite ban in Northern Ireland

Puberty blockers suppress the release of hormones and are prescribed to children questioning their gender.

www.bbc.com

... and it looks like Scotland will follow suit

Scotland to follow UK ban on puberty blockers for under-18s

The temporary ban on drugs being given to under-18s questioning their gender identity had already been extended twice.

www.bbc.com

The tide is turning on the Gender Affirming Care industry, and its about time!

 

[acbytesla]

York University did far more than "a quick Google Scholar search", they did a systematic review. You'll find the results in the Cass review, if you ever bother to read it.

Yes, they did. So did the American Tobacco Institute when they had Universities create reports that said tobacco use didn't cause cancer. There are also scientists that write that global warming isn't true.

But that DOESN'T mean that it was transparent, used scientific methodology or provided correct conclusions.

 

[Ziggurat]

Still waiting for your links.

 

[Elaedith]

Yes, they did. So did the American Tobacco Institute when they had Universities create reports that said tobacco use didn't cause cancer. There are also scientists that write that global warming isn't true.

But that DOESN'T mean that it was transparent, used scientific methodology or provided correct conclusions.

Please feel free to enlighten us as to what was wrong with the methodology of the systematic reviews conducted by the University of York (and all the others conducted in Sweden, Finland, New Zealand that have shown the same thing), and why you think the methodology of studies supporting GAC for minors is sound despite all these findings, with links to examples and analysis.

 

[Hercules56]

Yes it has.


It has been tested. And mental wellness is desired and beneficial.

By that logic, we should allow children to cut off their arms, legs, ears, tongue. Gouge out an eye. If they feel it will be emotionally beneficial.

 

[acbytesla]

Please feel free to enlighten us as to what was wrong with the methodology of the systematic reviews conducted by the University of York (and all the others conducted in Sweden, Finland, New Zealand that have shown the same thing), and why you think the methodology of studies supporting GAC for minors is sound despite all these findings, with links to examples and analysis.

I did in a post yesterday.

 

[acbytesla]

By that logic, we should allow children to cut off their arms, legs, ears, tongue. Gouge out an eye. If they feel it will be emotionally beneficial.

Reductio Ad Absurdum fallacy. Very good. LOL

 

[d4m10n]

If a politician decides to self-identify as the opposite sex, are they then entitled to vote on matters that you say only affect their newly-changed sex?

Right now they all think themselves entitled to vote on matters effecting both sexes, cross-sex i.d. wouldn't change anything.

It doesn’t only affect one sex. It affects both sexes, just asymmetrically. As a male, am I allowed to enter the women’s locker room? That affects me.

As a male, you should stay out of that room and out of decisions regarding that room; it's not for people like us.

Some of those males are fathers who have a responsibility for the safety and dignity of their female children...

Female children who happen to work in the Capitol Building? Nepotism & patriarchy together like PB+J.