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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Some of those males are fathers who have a responsibility for the safety and dignity of their female children...
That's right. They can treat their daughters as possessions that they have permanent authority over. You know, like in the Bible where women are prevented from owning property and fathers can marry them off to whomever or sell them off as slaves or concubines. The good old days.
 
That's right. They can treat their daughters as possessions that they have permanent authority over. You know, like in the Bible where women are prevented from owning property and fathers can marry them off to whomever or sell them off as slaves or concubines. The good old days.
What the hell are you even talking about? Where did you get "permanent" from?
 
Doing what to children? Almost no one undergoes surgery before 18. Are you talking about receiving puberty blocker medication? Counseling?
Almost no one? That's subjective, but it sure as hell isn't no one.

Oh, and puberty blockers aren't reversible.
 
Almost no one? That's subjective, but it sure as hell isn't no one.

Oh, and puberty blockers aren't reversible.
I don't know what your point is. That's the reason I added the modifier "almost." It requires parents and multiple doctors to sign off.

And it's a bald face lie that the use of puberty blockers isn't reversible. That depends on one the person and two how long they are taken
 
I don't know what your point is. That's the reason I added the modifier "almost." It requires parents and multiple doctors to sign off.
What's YOUR point? If "almost zero" isn't zero, then why does it matter that it's "almost zero"? Is there some threshold below which it doesn't matter that it happens? What is that threshold, and why?
And it's a bald face lie that the use of puberty blockers isn't reversible. That depends on one the person and two how long they are taken
For gender dysphoria, they are usually taken for prolonged periods. And your link is worthless. It's a study on rats, not humans.
 
What's YOUR point? If "almost zero" isn't zero, then why does it matter that it's "almost zero"? Is there some threshold below which it doesn't matter that it happens? What is that threshold, and why?
I appreciate that some hurdles must be met for someone to make that kind of life decision. But at some this is an individual issue. I don't think it is my decision or your decision or the government's decision how that person should live their life.
For gender dysphoria, they are usually taken for prolonged periods. And your link is worthless. It's a study on rats, not humans.

There is lots of other evidence. My nephew took puberty blockers for precocious puberty. He grew up to be a healthy adult male.
 
I appreciate that some hurdles must be met for someone to make that kind of life decision. But at some this is an individual issue. I don't think it is my decision or your decision or the government's decision how that person should live their life.


There is lots of other evidence. My nephew took puberty blockers for precocious puberty. He grew up to be a healthy adult male.
There is ZERO evidence of an adult human reversing the effects of puberty blockers taken as a teenager.



You also cannot rebuild a penis that was mutilated into somewhat looking like a vagina.

These changes cannot be reversed. Which is why we should NOT allow children to make them.
 
How does a 30 year old reverse the affects of puberty blockers taken when one was a teenager?
They don't. And my guess is those people got what they wanted. Their voices didn't drop. They didn't develop masculine features. There's a reason they are prescribed. But you can take puberty blockers for a couple of years, stop and puberty does happen.
 
Using PBs for precocious puberty is one thing; using them for " unwanted puberty" is another. If someone in the latter category takes PBs for almost as many years as puberty would ordinarily be expected to last but then desists, how much puberty would he or she then undergo?
 
Using PBs for precocious puberty is one thing; using them for " unwanted puberty" is another. If someone in the latter category takes PBs for almost as many years as puberty would ordinarily be expected to last but then desists, how much puberty would he or she then undergo?
That's too vague. Far too many variables. Everything depends on the individual, when they started using them and when they stopped. People takem for gender dysphoria because they don't want to develop male traits like voice changing, growth, being hirsute. Take them for a couple of years, the individual can change their mind.

I know of such a young man. He took puberty blockers for gender dysphoria in his teens and stopped taking them. After stopping his voice deepened and developed facial hair. But he didn't see a growth spurt that he might have If hadn't taken them. (But no one knows for sure if that is the cause...he's 5'5..which is on the short side for men today.)
 
I appreciate that some hurdles must be met for someone to make that kind of life decision. But at some this is an individual issue. I don't think it is my decision or your decision or the government's decision how that person should live their life.
For better and worse, the government heavily regulates medical care. For example, we do not allow people to sell drugs that are not demonstrated to be safe and effective, even if the buyer wants to take a risk.

Medical transition for minors has not been demonstrated to be safe and effective. Banning it for minors isn't fundamentally different than banning untested medication. If you don't like the government making medical decisions, well, this is a fringe part of that issue.
There is lots of other evidence. My nephew took puberty blockers for precocious puberty. He grew up to be a healthy adult male.
Treatment for precocious puberty isn't equivalent to treatment for gender dysphoria. This is another topic that has been dealt with at length already in this thread. I will just note that the entire point of using blockers for precocious puberty is that the effects aren't reversible. Stop taking the drugs, and you don't get precious puberty. That's a permanent effect, and it's both desired and beneficial. Halt regular puberty for any significant length of time (which is the norm for these treatments), and it will not resume as normal. Miss the window, and it's gone for good. And there are serious negative consequences of that.
 
I suspect that there are major flaws in the census count and violence among transgender individuals. Thatvsaid, it might be accurate. Whether it is my bias or theirs is still unknown. But it is staggering to me just how much flawed and even doctored information is published by individuals with personal agendas.
That's a positive assertion, so its your burden to provide evidence to back up that assertion.
 
You're right. It doesn't. But I also can't disprove God, Big Foot of the Loch Ness monster. I'm not making a positive claim. You are.

I'm not afraid of gay or transgender people. I'm also not willing to discriminate angainst an individual because of hypotheticals or outliers of others that are similar. I think most of the transgender scare is overwrought and exaggerated fears with little actual facts supporting it.
Maybe society should legalise rape and paedophilia? After all.. "...people are almost always trying to fit into their environment. They're not trying to cause issues" so it won't have any effect on the number of rapes or acts of paedophilia that take place will it? Most of those that would oppose such a move are just "overwrought" by the "exaggerated fears"
 
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Maybe society should legalaize rape and paedophilia? After all.. "...people are almost always trying to fit into their environment. They're not trying to cause issues" so it won't have any effect on the number of rapes or acts of paedophilia that take place will it? Most of those that would oppose such a move are just "overwrought" by the "exaggerated fears"
Gender Dysphoria is not rape or pedophilia. Those involve predators.
 
For better and worse, the government heavily regulates medical care. For example, we do not allow people to sell drugs that are not demonstrated to be safe and effective, even if the buyer wants to take a risk.

Medical transition for minors has not been demonstrated to be safe and effective.
Yes it has.

Banning it for minors isn't fundamentally different than banning untested medication. If you don't like the government making medical decisions, well, this is a fringe part of that issue.

Treatment for precocious puberty isn't equivalent to treatment for gender dysphoria. This is another topic that has been dealt with at length already in this thread. I will just note that the entire point of using blockers for precocious puberty is that the effects aren't reversible. Stop taking the drugs, and you don't get precious puberty. That's a permanent effect, and it's both desired and beneficial. Halt regular puberty for any significant length of time (which is the norm for these treatments), and it will not resume as normal. Miss the window, and it's gone for good. And there are serious negative consequences of that.
It has been tested. And mental wellness is desired and beneficial.
 
Gender Dysphoria is not rape or pedophilia. Those involve predators.
Oh, so self ID by fiat is a form of gender dysphoria. Who knew?

And gender dysphoria is a mental illness. I know its not politically correct to say this, and that the ideologically captured will deny it, but its true. I'm sorry, but anyone who has a cock and balls who thinks he's a woman has a few screws loose. I don't hate these people, I feel sorry for them. They need treatment, not affirmation.
 
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