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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

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Emily's Cat said:
I think with trans-identifying females "passing" at a cursory glance is easier for a couple of reasons. 1) Facial and body hair is a very visible strong secondary sex characteristics in males, as is male-pattern baldness, so we've got millennia of evolutionary wiring that predisposes us to read "balding with stubble" as male. 2) There is a larger standard deviation in physical dimensions in males than there is females, so it's more common to see a much-shorter-than-average male than it is to see a much-taller-than-average female. So we end up being less likely to take a second glance at a short-statured, small-handed, fine-boned male-appearing person than we would for a tall-statured, big-handed, broad-shouldered female.

But that really only holds well for that cursory glance.
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True. But here’s the kicker. For most males, most of the time, that’s all anyone gives them.
 
theprestige said:
Men are not analogous to foxes.
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Insofar as all foxes are a threat to all hens, this is true.

Even if only 5% of foxes were known to eat fowl, though, we'd still keep them all out of the henhouses.

Emily's Cat said:
IIRC, cultural marxism - the extension of the core marxist philosophy of bourgeoisie versus proletariat reframed and rubbed all over any situation where one can imagine a disparate outcome. It fundamentally assumes that any existing disparity can only be explained by oppression within that context.
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I'd replace "imagine" with "discover" but yes, this.

For an on point example, NBs who lean into androgyny may well have trouble finding dates. We can sail past explanations rooted in the evolution of the brain via sexual selection to, you guessed it, oppression via transphobia!
 
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The notion that a transgender woman is the reincarnation of a female spirit in a male body reflects a rich intersection of spirituality, culture, and personal identity
 
Calderaro said:
The notion that a transgender woman is the reincarnation of a female spirit in a male body reflects a rich intersection of spirituality, culture, and personal identity
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And imagination. It's a notion I've seen raised numerous times in many different contexts. But a few issues arise, depending on the details of the reincarnation beliefs in question.

Starting with: are there male and female spirits? If so, why? Do spirits reproduce in the spiritual realm(s)? No traditions claim so; most explicitly claim the opposite. So what would a spirit being inherently male or female even mean?

Well, then, assuming spirits are indeed sexless, would it make any sense for some spirits to only incarnate as males or only incarnate as females? Again, that's contrary to two major narratives involved in most reincarnation traditions: that incarnations go up and down in status, circumstances, and prestige based on the person's conduct in the previous one (e.g. being reborn in an "inferior" caste or sex as punishment for misbehavior); or that the purpose of multiple serial incarnations is to accumulate a wide range of life experiences as a sort of training for eventually becoming suitable for further stages of existence on higher planes. Limiting the incarnations of a sexless spirit to a single material sex would appear contrary to the purposes of either system. It's supposed to take dozens (or hundreds or thousands) of lifetimes to learn enough of the world to earn some sort of cosmic GED, but it's sufficient to only experience it as a male (or as a female) organism every time?

Then there's the question of, even assuming some system of sex-segregated incarnations, why would it sometimes go wrong and put a spirit into a "wrong-sex" body? Aren't there supposed to be karmic devas or angels or gods or something supervising the process?

One explanation I've seen for transgender incarnations from a Western occult perspective is they happen when there is too short a delay/respite in the higher planes in between incarnations of opposite sexes, which in turn is caused by the world's current high human population leading to a shortage of available spirits and consequent reduction of the recovery time between incarnations. You might enjoy the exercise of further unpacking all the assumptions in play in that narrative.
 
Myriad said:
One explanation I've seen for transgender incarnations from a Western occult perspective is they happen when there is too short a delay/respite in the higher planes in between incarnations of opposite sexes, which in turn is caused by the world's current high human population leading to a shortage of available spirits and consequent reduction of the recovery time between incarnations. You might enjoy the exercise of further unpacking all the assumptions in play in that narrative.
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Do you believe in Spiritism?
 
Calderaro said:
Do you believe in Spiritism?
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The more I examine the world and its stories, the more the word "believe" becomes a meaningless blur of pixels on the page. There are a great many interesting narratives that can be useful as cognitive tools for different purposes in different circumstances but it rarely matters whether or not one bleevzin them.

For what it's worth, I find the claims that bleef in Spiritism is justified by observed phenomena or "scientific" evidence to be insufficient to be of much use. Skepticism holds that one should withhold bleef in such cases. Fine with me.

I consider the narratives of reincarnation through the lens of this question: what's the difference between me dying and being reincarnated as another person with different circumstances, language, education, cultural narratives, personality, and memories; and me dying and then somebody else being born? There is none, in either my own or that person's life experiences. Unless a case of "past life memory" occurs which seems more than anything else to be a flaw in the concept rather than a confirmation of it; or unless as is sometimes claimed there's such a massive amount of individualized karmic record keeping or offline life-experience-memory storage going on in some invisible world behind the scenes that the systems and processes by which this happens must dwarf the living world itself, in which case what's the point? Particularly, if memories can be withheld and restored by some cosmic process or divine agents, why not just give every spirit all the memories and dispense with the living-through-multiple-lifetimes business?

That said, it certainly seems that there's some aspect of my conscious experience that's independent of all my memories, circumstances, language, and so forth. Some phenomenon that, with all those individual details stripped away, might plausibly be identical in everyone. (I have a twin brother born with severe cognitive deficits and my whole life has been a running lesson in how similar we are despite that.) If you want to call that the spark of self-awareness or the spirit or the spoul, I mean soul, go ahead, but if it's identical in everyone then why distinguish between lineages of worldly experience? Who is whose reincarnation? Maybe everyone is everyone's reincarnation, and you're already reincarnated in everyone else in the world. (In the business of shuffling souls around, who says linear time must prevail?) Maybe the Eastern mystical narrative of individual identity being an illusion is worth consideration.

Please excuse my highly insightful rambling. It's not really on topic for discussion of transsexuality, but if your intent was to bring up transsexuality as possible evidence for reincarnation, that's my take on the whole subject.
 
Well hell, most, maybe all Plains Indians believed that mutilating an enemy's body even after death (before was their preference) would cripple his ghost in Shadow Country. Odd damn sort of spirit, wouldn't you say?

But any modern-day white eye will tell you, swooning, that the Native Americans are just SO spiritual & ONE w/ nature & in TOUCH w/ the higher beings & stuff! So they ought to know, right?
 
The idea of souls which can be reincarnated and still meaningfully be the same person despite not retaining anything that's determined by the genes of the previous body (which is a lot, mentally as well as physically), let alone any memories of their previous lives, has never made the slightest sense to me. The idea that the one thing those souls do always retain is their sex, and that they might accidentally get reincarnated in a body that's the wrong one, just brings home how utterly bonkers the whole concept is.
 
I'm pretty cool with transgender issues and think in general that what a person decides is their chosen sexual identity ought to be their own business, and that there are plenty of possible and complicated issues within the brain that cause some people to feel gender dysphoria so strong that they need a gender change, and I don't really see why such decisions need to be justified. If our own children have these issues, sure, we need to understand and make sure things are what they seem to be, and proceed cautiously, but otherwise what business is it of anyone's what we do with ourselves and why should our private parts suddenly become public property. We hate to be told what to do or to be, but love telling other people what they ought to be. People worry about cultural decay and moral ambiguities and crap like that in between bombings and famines and genocides. Think of what's actually important, turn off the TV, read a book, put down the gun, loosen your tie, find someone to kiss and just shut the ◊◊◊◊ up.

But reincarnation and stuff like that? Forget it. The world as it is is marvelously complicated enough, endlessly varied, life and its mysteries virtually unfathomable, possibly unique in a universe that is fascinating beyond understanding. People spend lifetimes trying to find the ghost behind experience and forget to experience it. The wonder of being is already there if we just turn off the noise.
 
Maybe it explains women and minorities who vote Dump. They're simply the spirits of dead white racist men, accidentally reincarnated in non-white and/or female bodies. Man, spiritism has an answer to everything.
 
Courtesy of the contrarians at 'Spiked' magazine...

Former US army intelligence officer Chelsea Manning (formerly Bradley Manning) was first arrested in 2010, for passing classified documents about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to Wikileaks. He was sentenced to 35 years in prison in 2013, before US president Barack Obama commuted his sentence, leading to his release in 2017.

Manning has now been arrested for a second time – this time over a protest about where men like him should take a leak. On 5 December, Manning and a group of about 15 protesters, led by the ‘Gender Liberation Movement’, stormed the women’s bathrooms on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.
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https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/12/10/the-storming-of-the-capitol-bathrooms/
 
theprestige said:
Nitpick: Manning was never an officer.
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Counter nitpick: The word of "officer" in this context is a working title, NOT a rank. It is used in the same way a that a "police officer" can also be a sergeant. In the military, an intelligence officer can be an NCO such as a sergeant, a Lance Corporal or a Leading Hand, or even not an NCO at all. Bradley was an E-2 Private First Class (PFC). If his job was "to collect, compile or analyze information", that made him an intelligence office no matter his rank.
 
smartcooky said:
Counter nitpick: The word of "officer" in this context is a working title, NOT a rank. It is used in the same way a that a "police officer" can also be a sergeant. In the military, an intelligence officer can be an NCO such as a sergeant, a Lance Corporal or a Leading Hand.
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He was a specialist. Not even an NCO. Coincidentally, I too rose to the lowly rank of specialist in an intelligence office. Nobody ever referred to me as an intelligence officer. My actual military occupational specialty (MOS), my "working title", was Intelligence Analyst.

My boss, a lieutenant, held the MOS of Intelligence Officer. A sergeant, if we'd had one, might have held the MOS of Intelligence Senior Sergeant or Intelligence Master Sergeant.

Anyway, that's all I have to say on that matter. In addition to being a traitor and a scumbag, Bradley Manning is the kind of person to invade buildings for the purpose of intimidating our elected representatives and their staffs. Especially the women.
 
theprestige said:
Anyway, that's all I have to say on that matter. In addition to being a traitor and a scumbag, Bradley Manning is the kind of person to invade buildings for the purpose of intimidating our elected representatives and their staffs. Especially the women.
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The women who would overwhelmingly vote for unisex integration, given the chance to do so with their male colleagues abstaining.
 
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