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What would "god" need to do in order to prove that she really existed?

AmyStrange said:
Go ahead, use logic, but that doesn't make any answer illegitimate to me.

I mean, all some folks need (like I keep posting) is the bible, and they're good to go.

That maybe an illogical answer to you, but it's a legitimate answer to me.

It's NOT important what I believe, but what they believe and that's ALL I'm asking.


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What does that even mean, "legitimate answer"? "Bananas prove God" is a "legitimate answer", but it doesn't make it any less stupid.

Are you just looking for divine revelation fanfiction?
 
AmyStrange said:
I know you didn't mean it that way, but would
fixing it be enough to convince you personally that she was god?

That's my question.

Everything else is just superfluous and doesn't really make anyone else's answer any less legitimate, except to you, but not to me.


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That is what the fix would be i.e. everyone would believe in god.
 
Olmstead said:
What does that even mean, "legitimate answer"? "Bananas prove God" is a "legitimate answer", but it doesn't make it any less stupid.

Are you just looking for divine revelation fanfiction?
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If that would prove she exist to you personally, then it's a legitimate answer to me.

It doesn't have to be legitimate to anyone else.

After all (as I keep pointing out), all some folks need to be convinced is the bible, and that may not be legitimate to you, but it's a legitimate answer to me. It wouldn't convince me, but that's not what I'm asking.

All I'm asking for is an answer, and I'm not judging the answer, but it seems that you want to call it stupid with nothing to back it up except your opinion.

In other words, there is NO wrong answer to my question, regardless of what you think.


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Darat said:
That is what the fix would be i.e. everyone would believe in god.
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If it did convince you, then that would be a legitimate answer to me, but whether everyone was lying or not lying would be superfluous to the question, because all I'm concerned with is what would convince you.

If you (or anyone) wants to be superfluous, that's fine, but that doesn't make anyone else's answer illegitimate to me.


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Well, "fixing it" would be making everyone, including me, believe the same thing. So the fix, whatever it was, would necessarily be convincing.

<aside> I know that bananas size and deliciousness and neat fit in the hand has been advanced as proof of God's benificence but they only got that way by selective breeding. I think "bananas prove God" might be a sincere answer, but it's probably too flawed to deserve to be called a legitimate answer.
 
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I hadn't imagined anyone was lying. If I thought they were, then I suppose God's fix would not have been convincing enough for some, which is kinda where we are now.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I hadn't imagined anyone was lying. If I thought they were, then I suppose God's fix would not have been convincing enough for some, which is kinda where we are now.
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Exactly and thank you.

It's not what anyone else thinks should convince you, but what you personally think would convince you is my question.

Anything else is superfluous to the question.


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The Great Zaganza said:
Very simple.

We would do an simple, incredibly easily repeatable experiment with a very high accuracy of measurement - a pendulum would do.

We would get a clear result, and then ask God to intervene to change the outcome.

Run the experiment again and check the result.
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God has a pair of scissors??
 
AmyStrange said:
If it did convince you, then that would be a legitimate answer to me, but whether everyone was lying or not lying would be superfluous to the question, because all I'm concerned with is what would convince you.

If you (or anyone) wants to be superfluous, that's fine, but that doesn't make anyone else's answer illegitimate to me.


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Still don't think you are getting my point.

The only thing god needs to do to convince anyone it exists is to make it so we are convinced it exists. No one could be lying about being convinced, no one could lie and say they aren't convinced because god would have made us all convinced it exists.
 
Darat said:
Still don't think you are getting my point.

The only thing god needs to do to convince anyone it exists is to make it so we are convinced it exists. No one could be lying about being convinced, no one could lie and say they aren't convinced because god would have made us all convinced it exists.
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Oh, I get your point.

If god made it so you were convinced that everyone else was convinced that she existed, then it wouldn't matter what anyone else really believed, because you'd believe she existed regardless.

I mean, the maga weirdoes think trump is god, and no matter what you told them, they'd still believe he was, and then just say you were lying.




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Jack by the hedge said:
I thought Darat's point was all she needs to do to is make Darat convinced she exists.
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Yup, that's Darat's point, but does Darat really need to know for sure that everyone else is convinced or is it enough that Darat thinks everyone is convinced? Only Darat can answer that question. I'm not going to call them a liar just because I think otherwise.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me if everyone else was lying, because what convinces Darat that she exist is the real answer to my question.

Everything else is just superfluous to me.


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That "magic wand" solution would, I suppose, be making Darat believe by changing something about Darat, rather than by changing the evidence available.

I don't suppose there's a better answer to the original question than "evidence". It's hard to imagine what evidence would change your mind about anything you believe, not just about gods. Lots of people believe things that ain't so, not so much because they reject the evidence but because they trust different sources about what the evidence is.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
What's the difference between knowing for sure and thinking you know for sure?
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If whatever you believe convinces you that she exist, then it doesn't matter what you think or know for sure.

That's ALL I'm asking.

Everything else is superfluous to me.


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AmyStrange said:
Oh, I get your point.

If god made it so you were convinced that everyone else was convinced that she existed, then it wouldn't matter what anyone else really believed, because you'd believe she existed regardless.

I mean, the maga weirdoes think trump is god, and no matter what you told them, they'd still believe he was, and then just say you were lying.




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Nope not at all.

I came up with a way for god to 100% convince 100% of the people on the planet (and off the planet) that it existed.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I don't suppose there's a better answer to the original question than "evidence". It's hard to imagine what evidence would change your mind about anything you believe, not just about gods. Lots of people believe things that ain't so, not so much because they reject the evidence but because they trust different sources about what the evidence is.
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I dabbled briefly in arguing with Facebook flat-earthers and one of the questions that washed in on every tide was "what would convince you?" from both sides. Completely futile, as you couldn't get an honest conversation about what the evidence is, let alone what its implications are.
 
Darat said:
Nope not at all.

I came up with a way for god to 100% convince 100% of the people on the planet (and off the planet) that it existed.
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Nope. It might convince you, but it wouldn't be the only thing to convince me, and I wouldn't call you a liar or stupid just because it didn't convince me.

You answered my question, and that's all that matters.

Everything else is just superfluous to me.


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Jack by the hedge said:
I dabbled briefly in arguing with Facebook flat-earthers and one of the questions that washed in on every tide was "what would convince you?" from both sides. Completely futile, as you couldn't get an honest conversation about what the evidence is, let alone what its implications are.
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I've been there. I know EXACTLY what you mean.


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