What would "god" need to do in order to prove that she really existed?

[AmyStrange]

I've been having these religious discussions in the msn and fox forums, and my main question was, "Why is God a male and wouldn't that mean that they had a penis?"

I've learned a lot about ALL the religions around the world with that question, but my second premise was that GOD DID NOT write any of the bibles. Man actually wrote most of them (if not ALL of them), and I think their egos might've muddled up the waters enough (in their "holy" translations) so they could run things their way rather than hers.

The final premise that I offered was that, "She didn't give a rat's a*** which religion or bible we followed as long as we followed the Golden Rule."

FACT: Most of the major religions of the world have the Golden Rule as one of their major tenets.

Hell, It's even in the Christian Bible (Matthew 22:36-40):

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
"Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.'"

OK, NOW MY QUESTION IS: Let's say she came down to earth to set things straight, now what exactly would she need to do to prove (to you personally) that she was the one and only?

Myself, one of the things that would convince me was for her (wearing a body cam) to go right into Gaza (or wherever Hamas has them) and get the hostages with bullets bouncing off her and everything. (Of course, bouncing off the hostages too).

FINALLY (and this is to prove that you actually read my whole post):

I don't know if god does exist or if there is life after death, although, I do believe in life after because if it's true, I can say to all the non-believers, "I told you so," but they can't do the same to me if it isn't (hahaha).

Now, the most obvious question after that would be why do I think god is a she, and my answer would be, "why not?"


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[Cosmic Yak]

The final premise that I offered was that, "She didn't give a rat's a*** which religion or bible we followed as long as we followed the Golden Rule."

FACT: Most of the major religions of the world have the Golden Rule as one of their major tenets.

Hell, It's even in the Christian Bible (Matthew 22:36-40):

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
"Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.'"

I'm not sure most of the world's major religions do have the Golden Rule in their beliefs. Islam certainly doesn't.

 

[AmyStrange]

I'm not sure most of the world's major religions do have the Golden Rule in their beliefs. Islam certainly doesn't.

FROM: Golden Rule in Islam

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. In some form this is found in almost all religions and ethical systems
By Abu Amina Elias / 26 Feb 2013

The golden rule, or the ethics of reciprocity, is an Islamic moral principle which calls upon people to treat others the way they would like to be treated. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, the golden rule is defined as:

Any form of the dictum: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. In some form this is found in almost all religions and ethical systems. [Blackburn, Simon. "Golden Rule."]

This principle was stated several times by our Prophet Muhammad, so it is a principle Muslims should discuss when sharing Islam with people of other religions.

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[Olmstead]

Providing a non-stupid and testable definition of oneself would certainly be a start.

 

[AmyStrange]

Providing a non-stupid and testable definition of oneself would certainly be a start.

Interesting answer and thank you.

What language would you like her to provide this definition? English or all the languages at once.

Now, that alone would convince me too.


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[Gulliver Foyle]

To prove godhood to me it is simple, provide any eveidence of the existence of god.

The thing is, I'm pretty certain religious adherents have disproven their own gods, by making them too small, too human and too petty to be what they describe. And I know the abrahamic god doesn't exist, he's been described as holding impossible attributes.

PS the golden rule isn't religious,it is a product of evolution

 

[AmyStrange]

To prove godhood to me it is simple, provide any eveidence of the existence of god.

The thing is, I'm pretty certain religious adherents have disproven their own gods, by making them too small, too human and too petty to be what they describe. And I know the abrahamic god doesn't exist, he's been described as holding impossible attributes.

PS the golden rule isn't religious, it is a product of evolution

Makes sense and thank you.

But what evidence would you need to, "prove the existence of god?"

Make you President? Pick the lottery numbers for next week? Bring you to and show you hell and then heaven? Bring you to where someone you loved is at, so you talk to them and tell them you love them again?


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[Gulliver Foyle]

Makes sense and thank you.

But what evidence would you need to, "prove the existence of god?"

Make you President? Pick the lottery numbers for next week? Bring you to and show you hell and then heaven? Bring you to where someone you loved is at, so you talk to them and tell them you love them again?


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The same level of evidence that science demands for e.g. speciation. The putative god can come to us with demonstable and repeatable evidence of their powers that cannot be explained by any other means.

A good example would be turning peg legs into actual flesh and blood legs properly attached to their owners, over and over again in lab conditions so that the process can be studied.

 

[AmyStrange]

The same level of evidence that science demands for e.g. speciation. The putative god can come to us with demonstable and repeatable evidence of their powers that cannot be explained by any other means.

A good example would be turning peg legs into actual flesh and blood legs properly attached to their owners, over and over again in lab conditions so that the process can be studied.

Ok. I can definitely buy that one and thank you, although, I'm kind of partial to making me President.

Hell, anyone's better than that fat clown who's gonna sing in January, but I am kinda looking forward to the Trump's Damn Stupid show so I can watch it implode.

I've got popcorn and everything!!!


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[Olmstead]

Interesting answer and thank you.

What language would you like her to provide this definition? English or all the languages at once.

Now, that alone would convince me too.


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Well, we're talking about proving it to me personally, so obviously a language I can understand. Presumably this God can provide a personalised message for everyone, but maybe it's a lesser deity, in which case a world-wide announcement through the magic PA system will have to do.

The main point is that a magic sky wizard, no matter how powerful, doesn't actually equate to God; it's simply a powerful magic sky wizard. What God needs to do is to define what a god is, justify this definition incontrovertibly, and then show that this definition applies to Them.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

FROM: Golden Rule in Islam

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. In some form this is found in almost all religions and ethical systems
By Abu Amina Elias / 26 Feb 2013

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Yeah, sure. Funny how this article skips over the parts where the Quran says not to be friends with non-Muslims. Also the parts that say that you can be friendly with them while you try to convert them to Islam, but if they refuse to convert, you should kill them. Or cut off their hands and feet- upto you. Either way, not very golden.

 

[AmyStrange]

Well, we're talking about proving it to me personally, so obviously a language I can understand. Presumably this God can provide a personalised message for everyone, but maybe it's a lesser deity, in which case a world-wide announcement through the magic PA system will have to do.

The main point is that a magic sky wizard, no matter how powerful, doesn't actually equate to God; it's simply a powerful magic sky wizard. What God needs to do is to define what a god is, justify this definition incontrovertibly, and then show that this definition applies to Them.

Good answer, but what definition would work though? Would it have to be profound or something simple like, I'm gravity, and then take it away for an hour, and then put it back together, all the while, allowing your mind to still work so you can see, feel, and understand the whole thing?

Or something profound like what happened at the end of the movie, The Thirteenth Floor?

We're all part of a video game, kind of like the Matrix, except human's aren't controlling anything. Maybe a little like the Stephen King novel Under the Dome too.

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[welshdean]

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.
A.C. Clarke
Any 'proof' would need to counter this possibility too. I'm afraid that I'm not intelligent enough to differentiate.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Very simple.

We would do an simple, incredibly easily repeatable experiment with a very high accuracy of measurement - a pendulum would do.

We would get a clear result, and then ask God to intervene to change the outcome.

Run the experiment again and check the result.

 

[AmyStrange]

Yeah, sure. Funny how this article skips over the parts where the Quran says not to be friends with non-Muslims. Also the parts that say that you can be friendly with them while you try to convert them to Islam, but if they refuse to convert, you should kill them. Or cut off their hands and feet- upto you. Either way, not very golden.

True, but all of that is a translation or misinterpretation by humans (mostly men), because the REAL point is that all that killing happens because man muddled the damn book up and translated it to make it so he could be in charge.

That's why, if she does come down to straighten it all out, she should throw out all that muddled crap and use the one thing that ALL religions have it common, the Golden Rule.

Now, getting back on topic, what's your answer to the question? If she came down and straightened all that out, would that convince you that she was god?


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[AmyStrange]

Very simple.

We would do an simple, incredibly easily repeatable experiment with a very high accuracy of measurement - a pendulum would do.

We would get a clear result, and then ask God to intervene to change the outcome.

Run the experiment again and check the result.

Ok, I think that's a good answer and thank you.


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[AmyStrange]

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.
A.C. Clarke
Any 'proof' would need to counter this possibility too. I'm afraid that I'm not intelligent enough to differentiate.

Hmmm, what exactly do you think would prove something wasn't magic?

Sending the earth through space so we can all see heaven and hell? Being able to talk to a dead loved one so you can tell them you love them one last time?

Or how about, my favorite, making me president.

Or even batter, make trump and what's his name open up the inauguration and say he refuses the Presidency and gives it to Harris because he thinks it's the right thing to do?


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[Darat]

Makes sense and thank you.

But what evidence would you need to, "prove the existence of god?"
Make you President? Pick the lottery numbers for next week? Bring you to and show you hell and then heaven? Bring you to where someone you loved is at, so you talk to them and tell them you love them again?


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Change my mind so I believe in it.

 

[AmyStrange]

Change my mind so I believe in it.

Yup, that would definitely do it for me too, but it would be even better if she could change everyone's mind all at the same time, especially if she could also get trump and what's his name to denounce the presidency and give it to Harris because it's the right thing to do.

I'm still partial to that one.


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[Darat]

Yup, that would definitely do it for me too, but it would be even better if she could change everyone's mind all at the same time, especially if she could also get trump and what's his name to denounce the presidency and give it to Harris because it's the right thing to do.

I'm still partial to that one.


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That sounds like a wish fulfilment not a proof of a god.