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Predict Trump's first revenge prosecutions!

Elon says

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Vindman is on the payroll of Ukrainian oligarchs and has committed treason against the United States, for which he will pay the appropriate penalty
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The Great Zaganza said:
No President since at least Ford as used the Pardon power ethically.
This, while certainly not a use as intended, would actually be ethical.
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How did Obama use it unethically?

You wrote:
"Thing is, Biden could with literally a single signature put absolutely everyone Trump is upset with out of the legal reach of Trump AG : just pardon them for all and everything remotely connected to Trump.
And while he's at it, pardon everyone or the crime of being undocumented in the country.

After that he can pardon Hunter."

That you think giving a blanket pardon to everyone Trump is upset with or remotely connected to him, pardoning every person who has come into the country illegally, and his own son is "ethical", then we have a totally different definition of what "ethical" means.
 
Stacyhs said:
How did Obama use it unethically?
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Presumably because he used it to pardon one or more people who weren't victims of gross miscarriages of justice. :xrolleyes

For example:

List of people granted executive clemency by Barack Obama - Wikipedia

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During his 4th to last day in office, Obama pardoned James Cartwright, who was awaiting sentencing for giving false statements to federal investigators
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I expect that right wingers also don't appreciate the commutation of Chelsea Manning's sentence
 
Andy_Ross said:
Elon says
Elon Musk X​
@elonmusk​
Vindman is on the payroll of Ukrainian oligarchs and has committed treason against the United States, for which he will pay the appropriate penalty​
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Is this ex cathedra pronunciation part of his official government efficiency program? If not, who gives a flying ◊◊◊◊, Elon.
 
Elon's the boss now. Trump owes him big time.

Trump doesn't want Elon to turn his machine on him.
 
Obama blanket commuted the sentence of hundreds of minor drug offenders.
Ethically top, but arguably an abuse of the pardoning power.

So absolutely no reason why Biden couldn't just blanket pardon all undocumented migrants.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Obama blanket commuted the sentence of hundreds of minor drug offenders.
Ethically top, but arguably an abuse of the pardoning power.

So absolutely no reason why Biden couldn't just blanket pardon all undocumented migrants.
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I think the logistics of it wouldn't work. Pardons need names attached to them.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Obama blanket commuted the sentence of hundreds of minor drug offenders.
Ethically top, but arguably an abuse of the pardoning power.

So absolutely no reason why Biden couldn't just blanket pardon all undocumented migrants.
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Yeah, that would just hand Republicans more fodder for the "Dems want an open border" fearmongering. It would also encourage even more migrants to enter the country illegally.
 
Stacyhs said:
Yeah, that would just hand Republicans more fodder for the "Dems want an open border" fearmongering. It would also encourage even more migrants to enter the country illegally.
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If we all should have learned anything from the last election it's that it is completely irrelevant if Republicans have actual or just made-up fodder.
This way, at least it would do something good for millions of people AND mess with Trump's goal royally.

Dems should stop trying to please the people who will never vote for them.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Elon's the boss now. Trump owes him big time.

Trump doesn't want Elon to turn his machine on him.
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Whatever trump owed elonia was paid off by letting him into government. In any case, elonia recouped his investment into getting trump elected already on day one, everything else from here on out is simply an added bonus.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
That's not clear. How did Jimmy Carter pardon all draft dodgers?
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He probably had a list of names of them all. The problem with undocumented immigrants is that....they don't have documents. How would anyone know if an undocumented person was one that Biden pardoned or one that came into the states after the pardons?
If such a pardon was allowed, it would, practically, mean open borders (which I don't think is a bad thing). I believe we should have open borders, though. I'm not saying I'm against pardoning all undocumented immigrants, I just don't know how it could happen.
At any rate, doing anything that doesn't "reach across the aisle" isn't something Biden would do anyway. He won't pardon all the people Trump threatens. He won't pardon immigrants. He won't do anything to rock the boat because he's a Democrat and Democrats "play by the rules." They do not like to go against the normal means of operation, which is a big reason we keep losing.
 
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