Ivor the Engineer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2006
- Messages
- 10,642
I'll get right on that when you can specify how many anecdotes you require to change your mind.
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
- Thread starter d4m10n
- Start date
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
Yes.
The actual "favoured, dominant group" who construct public policy.
You are assuming that the sticker makers actually desire inclusivity in this case, just after I mentioned that the gender critical activists at "Let Women Speak" have claimed the stickers as their own.
It isn't, see post #1,442.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
There is nothing odd about them. They are no more odd than age or weight divisions in contact sports. They allow people to compete in competition on a level playing field - society as a whole has decided this is fine however odd you might think that is.
You may or may not be interested to know that in this country, both codes of the sport of rugby (union and league) is unisex up to the age of 12. Boys and girls play in the same teams with only weight divisions. Once they reach the age of 13, they are separated into sex-segregated competititons. I wonder if you are able to work out for yourself why this is the case?
Facts don't care about feelings, or political correctness.
Women are better at learning than men. Their tertiary graduation rate subject-for-subject is higher than men.
Women are better at multitasking. After 25 years running a business and employing both men and women (but mostly women) I can confidently state that my observation is they are not just better, they are way better at dealing with multiple tasks at once than are men.
Women are better at coping with pain and stress. Research shows that women’s brains are actually wired differently from men’s brains when it comes to both pain response and stress response. It gives them some advantage when it comes to handling these in a healthy way.
If your argument is going to boil down to political correctness as the reason for not having sex segregation for some things, then you've backed the wrong horse.
Safety is not a privilege, its a right... a human right
Yes it is Males are predatory by nature, and they are bigger and stronger. They need to be kept out of places where females are likely to be vulnerable. This includes all women's designated safe spaces such as women's shelters, rape crisis centres, prisons, gymnasiums as well as toilets, changing rooms and bathrooms, They also need to be kept out of participation is womens sports.
Well, that is sometihng I suppose. Its a pity you understand this, but you still can't connect the dots between transgender self-indentified men having five times the likelihood of committing sexual assault on women than ordinary cis-males.
Ivor the Engineer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2006
- Messages
- 10,642
So no male physicians or therapists then?
Last edited:
Rolfe
Adult human female
I'm not going to change my mind. I just want to see how often this bogeyman of trans-identifying men being physically assaulted by strangers in the men's room has actually happened. If at all. (That LARPing "Brianna Wu" tweeted just the other day that he'd be raped for sure pretty much the minute he stepped over the threshhold. Yeah right.)
Men are actually fairly tolerant of the occasional woman in the men's room, probably assuming she's in a hurry and there's a long queue at the Ladies. Might get the occasional surprised glance, thats all. Not going to be immediately physically assaulted and raped! If a trans-identifying man actually looked like a woman he'd be treated the same way.
In contrast we've presented evidence of numerous assaults by trans-identifying women in women's toilets.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Might be an idea. I've heard my friend's husband, a consultant ENT surgeon, holding forth on exactly why men should be prohibited from going into gynaecology at all. I saw a report earlier today of a woman who was raped and became pregnant during an operation when she was anaesthetised. The surgical team was all male.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
I know you're not stupid, so stop making this kind of stupid remark - you're better than that!.
And yes, there are certainly institutions where male medical staff are not allowed, for example, many (if not most) rape crisis centres have a policy that they will only hire female staff, including nurses and doctors.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Obviously two typos there.
- that's all
- and on the last line, "trans-identifying men in the women's toilets"
Brianna Wu is 6ft 4 ins.
Meghan Murphy and Mary Lou Singleton discuss after minute 16
(Great podcast right thru, earlier Mary Lou describes how TRAs got a domestic event cancelled by going to the mortgagor)
Also Meghan on X skirmish
Last edited:
Ivor the Engineer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2006
- Messages
- 10,642
I'm the one making stupid statements? What I said was just the logical outcome of your assertion that "males are predatory by nature" and that therefore "they need to be kept out of places where females are likely to be vulnerable."
Why do you believe males are "predatory by nature"?
Rolfe
Adult human female
We all of us know that if a woman goes into the men's room, say because she's in a hurry and the queue in the Ladies' is long, she might get a startled glance, but she's 99.9% likely to be treated with perfect courtesy.
If "Brianna Wu" anticipates being treated badly, it seems to me this is an acknowledgement that he doesn't appear to be a woman, but rather is obviously clockable as a LARPing man. (It's still wildly improbable that he'd encounter a rapist with a thing for trannies, mind you, the worst that's likely to happen is a bit of mockery and hazing.)
So he's obviously clockable as a LARPing man, not as a woman, but he still demands to impose his masculine presence on women.
If "Brianna Wu" anticipates being treated badly, it seems to me this is an acknowledgement that he doesn't appear to be a woman, but rather is obviously clockable as a LARPing man. (It's still wildly improbable that he'd encounter a rapist with a thing for trannies, mind you, the worst that's likely to happen is a bit of mockery and hazing.)
So he's obviously clockable as a LARPing man, not as a woman, but he still demands to impose his masculine presence on women.
Ivor the Engineer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2006
- Messages
- 10,642
A characteristic that is shared equally between males and females is bullying the weak and misfits.
If you believe as I do that transsexuals have a mental illness and/or neurological disorder then don't you feel any pity for their condition?
You can feel sympathy for people who behave oddly because they develop brain tumours but not those who do so for (yet) unknown reasons?
How would we organise society and treat each other if we acknowledged free will is a fantasy?
If you believe as I do that transsexuals have a mental illness and/or neurological disorder then don't you feel any pity for their condition?
You can feel sympathy for people who behave oddly because they develop brain tumours but not those who do so for (yet) unknown reasons?
How would we organise society and treat each other if we acknowledged free will is a fantasy?
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
The rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment statistics?
The fact that most men can control their animal instincts is no comfort to the women who encounter the ones who can't.
I have every sympathy for people who suffer from gender dysphoria. I just don't see why 100% of women should be expected to sacrifice their privacy, dignity and safety in order to spare the feelings of <1% of men.
Ivor the Engineer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2006
- Messages
- 10,642
Why does wanting to have sex with women make a man a predator?
When a woman wants to have sex is she a predator?
Believe it or not your views do not represent 100% of women. In fact, given your earlier disclosure about your sexuality you represent about 1% of the population.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Just for the giggles.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
The instinct itself is not the problem. It's the inability of some men to control it, and who consequently force themselves on unconsenting females, that's the problem.
Yes. But it's only a problem if she is unable to control herself, and consequently forces herself on unconsenting males.
It's not just asexual women who object to the loss of their safe spaces and sports leagues, so my sexuality is irrelevant.
Believe it or not your views do not represent 100% of men. Men who have young daughters, in particular, often disagree with your views and agree with mine.
Last edited:
Ivor the Engineer
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2006
- Messages
- 10,642
Anecdote time:
My 16 year old stepson was travelling by himself on a train coming home after a day riding on buses and trams for fun. The latter might give you some idea that he is not your typical 16 year old. He has expressed no interest in girls or sex. At least once he has expressed that the idea of the sex act is not appealing to him. On this particular occasion a group of women were in the same carriage. They were out on a hen party and felt the need to start coming on to my stepson, including putting female underwear on his head. He got up and moved to another carriage. But hey, it's all just fun when women do it to men, isn't it?
My wife has just shown me these news stories on CBC:
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
No, of course not. Why you would think anyone here would suggest such a thing frankly mystifies me.
It may be much rarer that way round, but it is equally unacceptable.
Matthew Best
Penultimate Amazing
Oooooookay. And this is relevant to this topic because....?