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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Rolfe said:
If women don't need single-sex spaces to keep them safe from men, how come trans-identifying men demand to be in women's spaces to keep them safe from other men?
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Because a lot more men like to act threatening towards goofy looking guys in makeup than like to act threatening towards women.

And it's my honest guess that that sticker was put there by a woman thinking about intersectionality rather than anyone thinking of it as a dig against those who distrust trans people. I don't think it's extremist or stupid to believe that's a decent guess. You guys could be right, too, but we are all only guessing.
 
Rainbow colors, I'm going to guess it's a TRA who heard about women-only spaces (sometimes womyn-only), realized it was not pro-trans, and didn't think hard about what is a woman?
 
Samson said:
And Kara Dansky has been active on X

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861200739596370079

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I think that TRA's are coming to the realization that their critics will not be cowed into silence, that the general public are not going to be gaslit, and that their agressive stance, supported by the extreme progressive wing of the Democratic Party on the issue of transgender policies with relation to women's safe spaces and women's sport probably was a strong contributing factor in The Fat Orange Turd's victory in the election. If the Democrats ever want to have a chance to gain power, they need to spend the next four years strongly distancing themselves from these policies.
 
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That's an interesting thought. If you're right, once the Democrats have their internal bloodletting and regrouping, we might actually see both parties in America take the side of women's rights.
 
Lithrael said:
Because a lot more men like to act threatening towards goofy looking guys in makeup than like to act threatening towards women.

And it's my honest guess that that sticker was put there by a woman thinking about intersectionality rather than anyone thinking of it as a dig against those who distrust trans people. I don't think it's extremist or stupid to believe that's a decent guess. You guys could be right, too, but we are all only guessing.
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If men are acting threateningly towards goofy-looking guys then the problem lies with the men. Partly with the ones acting threateningly, but also partly with the guys who choose to look goofy but then can't handle the reaction they've provoked. Pretending there's nothing to be done about this than let any man who chooses enter women's single sex spaces is not the answer.

There have been lots of requests for example cases of trans-identifying men assaulting women in women's toilets. These have been repeatedly answered with multiple incidents (which seem to be forgotten every time the thread enters a new page so we have to do it all again). I would like to ask for some example cases where men dressed as women have been physically assaulted in men's toilets (by strangers - I gather some weird things happen consensually in men's toilets).

I'll wait.
 
theprestige said:
At least it's consistent. Ivor is a biological dispensationalist, who thinks all sex-based segregation should be abolished. For consistency. No women's sports leagues. No women's prisons. No women's anything. Just things for men, and maybe women if there are no men around.

Presumably, to be fully consistent, no particular value in women's representation on corporate boards, in government, in entertainment, etc. Or if there is to be women's representation, Ivor stipulates that a man can meet the requirement equally well.
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Sex segregated sports leagues are odd. Seems to me that there are actually only ability segregated sports leagues. It is also strange that people idolise genetic (and often chemically enhanced) freaks as role models.

It is politically incorrect to say that women are better at some things than men and vice versa.

We should organise society to be as fair as possible for everybody. Once one group gets special privileges then every other self identifying group wants them too.

Humans need clean and safe toilet facilities. Is the contention that this cannot be achieved without segregation?

As for self-ID of sex, well that's just stupid. We may as well give up on having society based on any reason or logic if that becomes law.
 
Rolfe said:
If men are acting threateningly towards goofy-looking guys then the problem lies with the men. Partly with the ones acting threateningly, but also
partly with the guys who choose to look goofy but then can't handle the reaction they've provoked. Pretending there's nothing to be done about this than let any man who chooses enter women's single sex spaces is not the answer.

There have been lots of requests for example cases of trans-identifying men assaulting women in women's toilets. These have been repeatedly answered with multiple incidents (which seem to be forgotten every time the thread enters a new page so we have to do it all again). I would like to ask for some example cases where men dressed as women have been physically assaulted in men's toilets (by strangers - I gather some weird things happen consensually in men's toilets).

I'll wait.
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If men are raping provocatively dressed women then the problem lies partly with the women who chose to dress that way.

Just to be clear: Not my thoughts on the issue at all.
 
Rolfe said:
If men are acting threateningly towards goofy-looking guys then the problem lies with the men. Partly with the ones acting threateningly, but also partly with the guys who choose to look goofy but then can't handle the reaction they've provoked. Pretending there's nothing to be done about this than let any man who chooses enter women's single sex spaces is not the answer.

There have been lots of requests for example cases of trans-identifying men assaulting women in women's toilets. These have been repeatedly answered with multiple incidents (which seem to be forgotten every time the thread enters a new page so we have to do it all again). I would like to ask for some example cases where men dressed as women have been physically assaulted in men's toilets (by strangers - I gather some weird things happen consensually in men's toilets).

I'll wait.
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One of the great curiosities for me is I never met a transgender other than my brother.
I guess I don't get out much.
Erin Reed says 15000 in the military are about to be given marching orders by Trump.

WUT?

This is a thing.

open.substack.com

Trans Ban Could Cost $18 Billion, According To Trans Military Organization

A potential trans military ban could cost the United States $18 billion in accumulated operational investment, with $1 billion in initial replacement costs.
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Ivor the Engineer said:
If men are raping provocatively dressed women then the problem lies partly with the women who chose to dress that way.

Just to be clear: Not my thoughts on the issue at all.
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How are you getting on with finding an example of a man wearing gender nonconforming clothes being physically assaulted by a stranger in the men's toilets?

I'll wait.
 
The man in this video is pretty wound up and ranting, but I think he has good reason. THIS is the result of declaring that any man who says he's a woman is a woman. This is the reality, and the intentional outcome. It's not, and never was, about the mythical shy harmless "true trans" person who just wants to live in peace. THIS is what it's about.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861600006513348701
 
Rolfe said:
How are you getting on with finding an example of a man wearing gender nonconforming clothes being physically assaulted by a stranger in the men's toilets?

I'll wait.
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Why do adult female humans deserve special protection from the violent humans they have given birth to and raised with a set of values that makes them think treating people that way is acceptable?

Every group wants to absolve themselves of responsibility and avoid the consequences of their actions.

We make our own Hell.
 
Ziggurat said:
You're making this harder than it needs to be, for reasons that escape me.
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The reason is simple: I don't like making assumptions about what people mean when I can just ask. If someone makes a claim about the "favoured, dominant group" in London, I am not going to just guess about which sort of people are members of that group.

Ziggurat said:
The person who put it there is male.
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This is a guess at best. Females are more likely than males to support integration of bathrooms, in every single public opinion poll we've looked at here.

Ziggurat said:
The message is that this male can enter into female spaces, and females can't stop him. What about that confused you?
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The part where you've swapped in sex for gender, among other things. There is a very slim chance that the sticker-maker thinks that woman = adult human female.

Lithrael said:
And it's my honest guess that that sticker was put there by a woman thinking about intersectionality rather than anyone thinking of it as a dig against those who distrust trans people. I don't think it's extremist or stupid to believe that's a decent guess. You guys could be right, too, but we are all only guessing.
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Exactly this.
 
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d4m10n said:
This is a guess at best.
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It's a very educated guess. Really, there's no point in pretending more ignorance than we have.
d4m10n said:
Females are more likely than males to support
integration of bathrooms, in every single public opinion poll we've looked at here.
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What do you mean by integration? Allowing trans people into women's bathrooms? Sure. Doing away with sex segregation entirely? I have yet to see any evidence of that.

But let's examine your assertion a bit more. If females are more supportive than males, then who needs convincing? Who should the message of inclusivity be aimed at? Why, males, obviously. So why would a female send this message to an exclusively female audience rather than a general audience which includes males? There's no reason to.

Unless inclusivity isn't the message. And let's be honest, it's not. Because the location is part of the message.
d4m10n said:
The part where you've swapped in sex for gender, among other things. There is a very slim chance that the sticker-maker thinks that woman = adult human female.
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Even the people that claim transwomen are women know deep down that there's a difference between males and females. They pretend that there isn't, but that's a lie, and they know it's a lie. The person who posted that sticker is trying to substitute gender for sex, but in truth, everyone knows that sex is the real thing, gender is pretend.
 
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