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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Ivor the Engineer said:
I'm not sure what the point is in posting pictures of rapists and people who have committed other sexual offences who also happen to be/claim to be transsexuals.
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To prove that a source you relied on to make an argument is full of crap, and that the argument you made falls apart under scrutiny.
 
theprestige said:
Whereas I read it as a confused attempt to assert transwomen's entitlement to women's spaces. I wouldn't be surprised if even the person who put the sticker up isn't quite clear in their own head what it's trying to say.
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You're trying too hard. The message is very simple, and very clear:

I can get into your intimate spaces, and you can't stop me.

It isn't any more complex than that.
 
theprestige said:
Fiat self-ID is the point. Fiat self-ID as public policy gives the rapists and sex pests legal protection to invade and poison women's spaces. Just the fact of these legal protections has a chilling effect that eliminates the sense of comfort and safety women should feel in these spaces. We've been over this repeatedly. Every time we get to this stage of the conversation, you withdraw, and then return with a fringe reset.

Sooner or later you'll need to
come up with a rational argument for why a man should have access to women's spaces simply because he says he wants it. Or, if you think that access should be granted on some other basis, argue for that basis. All your doing right now is conceding the point, while trying to maintain the illusion that you're still in the debate.
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To be consistent.

Women should not be barred from social clubs because they eliminate the sense of comfort and safety men feel in those spaces.

Non-white people should not be barred from using spaces because they eliminate the sense of comfort and safety white people feel in those spaces.

One ethnic group should not be cleansed from a region because they eliminate the sense of comfort and safety another ethnic group feels in that region.

I'm against self-ID of men insisting they are women and vice versa. We have a perfectly good word to describe a person whose gender does not match their biological sex: transsexual.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
To be consistent.

Women should not be barred from social clubs because they eliminate the sense of comfort and safety men feel in those spaces.

Non-white people should not be barred from using spaces because they eliminate the sense of comfort and safety white people feel in those spaces.

One ethnic group should not be cleansed from a region because they eliminate the sense of comfort and safety another ethnic group feels in that region.

I'm against self-ID of men insisting they are women and vice versa. We have a perfectly good word to describe a person whose gender does not match their biological sex: transsexual.
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Surely you can do better than these idiotic non sequiturs?
 
Ron Obvious said:
Surely you can do better than these idiotic non sequiturs?
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At least it's consistent. Ivor is a biological dispensationalist, who thinks all sex-based segregation should be abolished. For consistency. No women's sports leagues. No women's prisons. No women's anything. Just things for men, and maybe women if there are no men around.

Presumably, to be fully consistent, no particular value in women's representation on corporate boards, in government, in entertainment, etc. Or if there is to be women's representation, Ivor stipulates that a man can meet the requirement equally well.
 
Ziggurat said:
You're trying too hard. The message is very simple, and very clear:

I can get into your intimate spaces, and you can't stop me.

It isn't any more complex than that.
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I think it's basically that. Like the "your body, my choice" t-shirts. The sticker-person is of the favoured, dominant group, and he gets to go where he likes and nobody else gets a vote.
 
d4m10n said:
He's a wealthy cisgender heterosexual man of European ancestry?
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Reductionist and simplistic. There's more than one clique. Different cliques have more or less domination in various contexts. The Warriors rule Coney Island, and are willing to fight for themselves anywhere. The Orphans rule maybe a city block that nobody else wants, and won't even fight for that.

The sticker-person is part of a clique that wields some power in some places at some times, and is asserting their dominance over the place in question. Rich straight white dudes aren't the only clique in town and aren't always the most powerful clique in a particular place or time. This restroom, for example.

A lot of the current cultural clashes we're dealing with are because smaller, weaker cliques have succeeded in bootstrapping themselves into competitive - if not dominant - positions versus the Patriarchy Gang.
 
theprestige said:
Reductionist and simplistic. There's more than one clique. Different cliques have more or less domination in various contexts.
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For example, (mostly) white heterosexual male Congressmen have overruled the wishes of (most) Congresswomen in the U.S. when it comes to who gets to use the multi-user women's bathrooms in the Capitol Building.
 
d4m10n said:
For example, (mostly) white heterosexual male Congressmen have overruled the wishes of (most) Congresswomen in the U.S. when it comes to who gets to use the multi-user women's bathrooms in the Capitol Building.
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I don't know what your grievance is against straight white men, whether it's mostly sexism or mostly racism, and I don't care.

Do you have anything to say on the topic of trans rights in public policy? Something that doesn't immediately devolve into race baiting or straight bashing?
 
If women don't need single-sex spaces to keep them safe from men, how come trans-identifying men demand to be in women's spaces to keep them safe from other men?
 
d4m10n said:
Among other things, it's not remotely obvious what "favoured, dominant group" should be taken to mean in the context of a women's toilet in a London theatre.
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Holy ◊◊◊◊ I do not care. Do you have anything to say on the topic of trans rights in public policy?

Or are you just trying to stuff up this thread with off topic race baiting and straight bashing?
 
This is your periodic notification that I have totally had it with being "kind" about all this.

Actually deleted, because the link is viewable in the forum and there are quite a few banned words in there.
 
Again, it is not remotely obvious what "favoured, dominant group" should be taken to mean in the context of a women's toilet in a London theatre. Would you like to make this a guessing game? I'll start with AGPs over 40 who make at least six figures and can afford to vacation in France.
 
Not sure if this counts as trans or DSD, but it seems the BBC have given the award for best women's football player of the year to someone called Barbra Banda. This has led to a flurry of hashtags on Twitter saying #He'saman. It seems the player failed sex tests so couldn't play in the African Cup, and also was rejected by Real Madrid's women's team for a similar reason.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861296328170709083
 
d4m10n said:
He's a wealthy cisgender heterosexual man of European ancestry?
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You're making this harder than it needs to be, for reasons that escape me.

It's quite simple. The person who put it there is male. The message is that this male can enter into female spaces, and females can't stop him. What about that confused you?
 
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