Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Given what the trans-addled AGPs post all by their own little selves, nobody needs to fake anything.
For example... Pretty much everything posted by MaryCate Delvey.

Delvey is a bit more abrasive than I personally prefer, but then again... MaryCate is LITERALLY reading what transgender identified males actually say all by themselves.
 
Oh FFS. You merely labeling it "right wing propaganda" doesn't make it so. You've made an assumption, and you've failed to even remotely try to check into it on your own.

Really, really telling that he chose that tack though, rather than toeing the party line that the person was clearly trying to pass and using she/her pronouns so of course it was cruel to deny "her" entry into the women's toilet. There's always a point where the allies can't stomach it and find some way to disallow that person either as being staged or "not really trans".
 
Odessa releases a new official position with biological sex determining which bathroom can be used.


" Biological sex. (1) For the purposes of this ordinance, a person’s biological sex is the biological sex correctly stated on: (A) a person’s official birth certificate, as described by Subdivision (2); or (B) if the person’s official birth certificate described by Paragraph (A) is unobtainable, another government record that accurately states the person’s biological sex; and (2) a statement of a person’s biological sex on the person’s official birth certificate is considered to have correctly stated the person’s biological sex only if the statement was: (A) entered at or near the time of the person’s birth; or (B) modified to correct a scrivener or clerical error in the person’s biological sex."
 
I have a ton of sympathy for what you are arguing, but I am very uncomfortable with *how* it is being argued.
What you're missing here is that we started out being nice, we started out being careful of feelings and considerate. If you doubt me - go back to the inception of this thread and read through them.

Almost every single one of us in this thread - as well as almost every 'gender critical' or 'biological realist' or just plain 'women are human too' person out there started out from a position of care and trying to find a reasonable middle ground in this. Almost all of us had prior experience with the rare transsexual who seemed to be trying really hard to fit in and not make waves and not make females feel intimidated. And every one of us still feels a core of empathy for those few people who are truly going through some ◊◊◊◊ and trying to cope.

But we've now had nearly two decades of persistently being told that we're transphobes and bigots and right wing propagandists and deluded and all sorts of other denigrating names... all for the entirely reasonable position of "Hey, I think it's a bad idea to put genitally intact male sex offenders into a female prison" or "Hey, I'm not really okay with having penises dangled in front of young females in the female showers and changing rooms" or "You know, I think female rape survivors should be allowed to have same-sex clinicians do their medical exams" or "It seems kind of unfair that males are winning female athletics competitions, that displaces females from their own sports" or "I feel a bit miffed seeing the media laud the highest paid female CEO when that person is actually a male" or "My grandma needs help bathing and has requested that the person cleaning her vulva be female, and we're all a bit put-out that the caregiver is clearly a male complete with stubble and a bulge in their way-too-short tight-fitting miniskirt" and "Eleanor Roosevelt put this rule in place decades ago that gives females equal representation in NY and this obvious male whose penis we can clearly see through their dress has taken one of those places, that's not equal representation for females" and similar such very common sense notions.

And we've repeatedly witnessed males in dresses show up to verbally abuse, threaten with rape, and physically assault females who gathered to discuss whether or not there might possibly be a conflict between self-declared gender and sex-based rights. We've seen males with signs calling for females who object to their presence to be punched, raped, or murdered for daring to say no to their demands.

We started out being nice. We started out trying to find a compromise. And what we have experienced has been harassment and threats and a complete rejection of anything that allows females to retain safety and dignity from males.

So while I understand your desire for "tone" here, I not-so-respectfully don't give a ◊◊◊◊ about "how" it's being said. We tried nice, and we have suffered for a quarter of a century only to have yet another male come along and chide us for not being "nice enough" to the people who insist upon violating our boundaries and threatening us.
 
Odessa releases a new official position with biological sex determining which bathroom can be used.


" Biological sex. (1) For the purposes of this ordinance, a person’s biological sex is the biological sex correctly stated on: (A) a person’s official birth certificate, as described by Subdivision (2); or (B) if the person’s official birth certificate described by Paragraph (A) is unobtainable, another government record that accurately states the person’s biological sex; and (2) a statement of a person’s biological sex on the person’s official birth certificate is considered to have correctly stated the person’s biological sex only if the statement was: (A) entered at or near the time of the person’s birth; or (B) modified to correct a scrivener or clerical error in the person’s biological sex."

I'm remembering a time in the forum, way way back now, way before I was in any way engaged with the trans debate, when there was a thread about "bathroom bills" and as I remember it, people were fulminating with fury that evil politicians were trying to legislate to prevent these most vulnerable trans people from using the bathroom of the sex they wanted to be, rather than the sex they actually were. This was pretty much an American thing, I don't remember any of that debate happening here.

I read a bit of the thread, quite bemused. Everyone seemed to be batting for these poor marginalised boys to be allowed to go and pee with the girls and it was the most disgusting bigotry to oppose it, and I was thinking, but they're boys, I don't like the sound of this, I don't really get it.

I wonder how long ago that was? I presume it's still in the archive somewhere.
 
I can't argue with that, and as a man I don't have the experience to challenge it from a personal perspective, although as I have said, I know many women who feel differently than you do. But I commend you for being polite in your response and not resorting to the inflammatory nonsense that is too common in this discussion.
Do you have any idea how much absolute ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, threatening, and incendiary abuse I've had to deal with from males who persistently demand that I must be nice to them regardless?

It's nice that you "commend" me for basic civility. How about you turn that same chastisement on the plethora of males in womanface who feel entitled to harass and threaten females when we say "no" in a completely civil fashion?
 
Ooh, a man doesn't like the way I'm arguing. News flash. I am SO over caring about that. I'm not American, and I couldn't tell you what side of American politics many of the accounts I come across on Twitter even are.
The overwhelming majority of twitter accounts I follow are objectively left-leaning liberals. There are only a few that are actually right-leaning. It's irrelevant though - any female who dares to question trans orthodoxy is vilified as being a right-wing-bigot with no consideration given to their actual positions or reasons.
 
What you're missing here is that we started out being nice, we started out being careful of feelings and considerate. If you doubt me - go back to the inception of this thread and read through them.

Almost every single one of us in this thread - as well as almost every 'gender critical' or 'biological realist' or just plain 'women are human too' person out there started out from a position of care and trying to find a reasonable middle ground in this. Almost all of us had prior experience with the rare transsexual who seemed to be trying really hard to fit in and not make waves and not make females feel intimidated. And every one of us still feels a core of empathy for those few people who are truly going through some ◊◊◊◊ and trying to cope.

But we've now had nearly two decades of persistently being told that we're transphobes and bigots and right wing propagandists and deluded and all sorts of other denigrating names... all for the entirely reasonable position of "Hey, I think it's a bad idea to put genitally intact male sex offenders into a female prison" or "Hey, I'm not really okay with having penises dangled in front of young females in the female showers and changing rooms" or "You know, I think female rape survivors should be allowed to have same-sex clinicians do their medical exams" or "It seems kind of unfair that males are winning female athletics competitions, that displaces females from their own sports" or "I feel a bit miffed seeing the media laud the highest paid female CEO when that person is actually a male" or "My grandma needs help bathing and has requested that the person cleaning her vulva be female, and we're all a bit put-out that the caregiver is clearly a male complete with stubble and a bulge in their way-too-short tight-fitting miniskirt" and "Eleanor Roosevelt put this rule in place decades ago that gives females equal representation in NY and this obvious male whose penis we can clearly see through their dress has taken one of those places, that's not equal representation for females" and similar such very common sense notions.

And we've repeatedly witnessed males in dresses show up to verbally abuse, threaten with rape, and physically assault females who gathered to discuss whether or not there might possibly be a conflict between self-declared gender and sex-based rights. We've seen males with signs calling for females who object to their presence to be punched, raped, or murdered for daring to say no to their demands.

We started out being nice. We started out trying to find a compromise. And what we have experienced has been harassment and threats and a complete rejection of anything that allows females to retain safety and dignity from males.

So while I understand your desire for "tone" here, I not-so-respectfully don't give a ◊◊◊◊ about "how" it's being said. We tried nice, and we have suffered for a quarter of a century only to have yet another male come along and chide us for not being "nice enough" to the people who insist upon violating our boundaries and threatening us.

Well said. Men who concede that a woman's position is substantially correct but then scold her about her "tone" really need to wind their necks in. I have no ◊◊◊◊◊ left to give on this matter. I am SO over being nice about it. And if one more man comes on here (yes, talking about you, Lionking) and declares that this tranny seems harmless enough and is trying to pass so it's OK with him if he gets an official pass to pee in the Ladies, well all I can say is it's just as well you're all a very long way away from me.
 
Do you have any idea how much absolute ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, threatening, and incendiary abuse I've had to deal with from males who persistently demand that I must be nice to them regardless?

It's nice that you "commend" me for basic civility. How about you turn that same chastisement on the plethora of males in womanface who feel entitled to harass and threaten females when we say "no" in a completely civil fashion?

Ah, but these people aren't real, they're all fakes, staged by that well-known right-wing propaganda account, LibsOfTictok.
 
The overwhelming majority of twitter accounts I follow are objectively left-leaning liberals. There are only a few that are actually right-leaning. It's irrelevant though - any female who dares to question trans orthodoxy is vilified as being a right-wing-bigot with no consideration given to their actual positions or reasons.

I am myself very left-leaning. I've followed some accounts and then been quite startled by the opinions expressed, but mostly not unfollowed them because it was an education. I followed one American woman with the handle Jori's Mum, simply because she also has a cat called Jori (short for Marjory, not Jormungand!), and discovered she was an absolute gun-totin redneck! Most of the gender-critical women in Britain are actually left-wing, many having left the Labour party over it, but are having to ally with some Conservative politicians because their own politicians blank them or worse. This side of the pond it's far from being a clear right-left issue.
 
Ah, but these people aren't real, they're all fakes, staged by that well-known right-wing propaganda account, LibsOfTictok.
Libs of Tik Tok is actually legitimately a registered republican, so arguable does count as "right wing". On the other hand... LoTT literally does nothing except repost things that other people have voluntarily posted on Tik Tok, usually with no commentary at all. Despite the "oh you haven't verified it's not fake" you can simply click on LoTT's posts, follow them to Tik Tok, and look through the original poster's history to verify that they are 100% NOT fake at all. It's about as transparent as it's possible to be.
 
It's eye-opening what trans people say all on their own. So of course Delvey is routinely hated, threatened, and abused for literally doing what has been demanded of us: Listen to Transpeople!

I'd heard the name, apparently she got perma-banned from some platform for doing nothing but read out trans people's own words. I hadn't come across her Twitter account.

Libs of Tik Tok is actually legitimately a registered republican, so arguable does count as "right wing". On the other hand... LoTT literally does nothing except repost things that other people have voluntarily posted on Tik Tok, usually with no commentary at all. Despite the "oh you haven't verified it's not fake" you can simply click on LoTT's posts, follow them to Tik Tok, and look through the original poster's history to verify that they are 100% NOT fake at all. It's about as transparent as it's possible to be.

Honestly, I hadn't even thought about it. If anything, I took "Libs" at face value. I have followed through one or two of the more hair-raising clips to check they weren't parodies, and they all checked out. I remember watching that one with the guy at his apartment block quite some time ago, it's not new, but it was quite relevant to what's going on at the moment.

As soon as a trans-apologist comes back saying that the site I linked to is a right-wing propaganda outlet, and/or that the content is likely to be faked, I know they're on the run. They can't defend what these men are like, so they have no other recourse.
 
I'm remembering a time in the forum, way way back now, way before I was in any way engaged with the trans debate, when there was a thread about "bathroom bills" and as I remember it, people were fulminating with fury that evil politicians were trying to legislate to prevent these most vulnerable trans people from using the bathroom of the sex they wanted to be, rather than the sex they actually were. This was pretty much an American thing, I don't remember any of that debate happening here.

I read a bit of the thread, quite bemused. Everyone seemed to be batting for these poor marginalised boys to be allowed to go and pee with the girls and it was the most disgusting bigotry to oppose it, and I was thinking, but they're boys, I don't like the sound of this, I don't really get it.

I wonder how long ago that was? I presume it's still in the archive somewhere.
I think I posted this talk at the time after the Posie Parker riot in Albert Park.
Minute 3 to 4 Deborah Coddington says trans women are women and it is identical to 100 years back when apparently white women complained Maori women and children were using the public toilets.
I just listened right through again, worth it for the time stamp in history.


(As a side note Deborah Coddington is married to Ron Carruthers who led the new local CCRC for 4 years until resigning, literally nothing has happened)
 
Seems he has plenty of "safe spaces" to choose from, but was throwing a tantrum about being allowed in the women-only space regardless. All about "respect" apparently. Where's his respect for women? Oh, and it's "cruelty" to force him to use the mixed-sex toilets, or the private one in his office.
 
These women are high octane educated and amusing.


The first 10 minutes is better than the what did the democrats do wrong thread
 
Still listening, and it seems this McBride person has posted selfies from the women's bathroom.

Hell on wheels!

Around minute 31.50
 

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