Iran Starts Enrichment

[zenith-nadir]

Diplomats Say Iran Starts Enrichment - Feb 13, 2006

VIENNA, Austria - Iran has started small-scale enrichment of uranium — a process that can produce fuel for nuclear reactors or bombs, diplomats said Monday.

IMO since Iran has rejected the Russian offer to enrich uranium for Iran one can only conclude they have more than simple power generation in mind. And before you begin bemoaning my opinion...

Tuesday, January 31, 2006

VIENNA — A document obtained by Iran on the nuclear black market serves no other purpose than to make an atomic bomb, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Tuesday.

The finding was made in a report prepared for presentation to the 35-nation IAEA board when it meets, starting Thursday, on whether to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council, which has the power to impose economic and political sanctions on Iran.

Rejecting the Russian offer is just another piece to the overall bomb puzzle.

"But...but...we just need to plug in our toasters and iPods"

 

[Ralph]

Is there anybody on the planet who thinks they only want to generate electricity?

 

[WildCat]

Is there anybody on the planet who thinks they only want to generate electricity?

Just wait a few posts, they'll come out of the woodwork. Or maybe we'll just get the "well the US, Israel and Pakistan have the bomb, so Iran can get one too if they want" crowd.

 

[fishbob]

I would like us to use more enriched nuclear fuel to produce power. Sort of like methadone for our oil habit.

As for evaluating Iran's motives, I would like to see something other than links to this:

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[WildCat]

As for evaluating Iran's motives, I would like to see something other than links to this:

Get rid of the 6 after the .html in the url and it works.

 

[fishbob]

Get rid of the 6 after the .html in the url and it works.

Much better, thanks.

At that time, the agency said only that the papers showed how to cast "enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms."
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the agency said bluntly that the 15-page document showing how to cast fissile uranium into metal was "related to the fabrication of nuclear weapon components."

Any technically based second opinions? I would hate to make decisions based on a faulty evaluation of aluminum tubes. I mean based on a faulty evaluation of the uses of hemispherical shaped chunks of uranium.

 

[WildCat]

Any technically based second opinions? I would hate to make decisions based on a faulty evaluation of aluminum tubes. I mean based on a faulty evaluation of the uses of hemispherical shaped chunks of uranium.

A simple (well, relatively simple) way to make a bomb is to fire 2 hemispherical chunks of uranium into each other so that they reach critical mass. I think the "Little Boy" atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima was this type.

An alternate use for this shape would be for heating purposes, say you want to heat the air above a major city to a few million degress for a short period...

 

[The Fool]

A simple (well, relatively simple) way to make a bomb is to fire 2 hemispherical chunks of uranium into each other so that they reach critical mass. I think the "Little Boy" atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima was this type.

SSSSSHHHHHHH!!!!!

now you've done it.....

 

[kalen]

Just wait a few posts, they'll come out of the woodwork. Or maybe we'll just get the "well the US, Israel and Pakistan have the bomb, so Iran can get one too if they want" crowd.

As long as you're acknowledging the hypocrisy....

Yeah, Iran is probably after an A-bomb, but what are you gonna do about it? And after you've done something about it, who's gonna clean up that mess?

What I do know is that lots more innocent people will die. Lots. (Actually, this is the same thing I said to a friend on the afternoon of 11.9.2001. I hate being right.)

 

[WildCat]

As long as you're acknowledging the hypocrisy....

i don't mind rwesponsible, stable countries having the bomb. I do worry about Pakistan and N. Korea though, but those horses have left the barn.

Yeah, Iran is probably after an A-bomb, but what are you gonna do about it? And after you've done something about it, who's gonna clean up that mess?

What I do know is that lots more innocent people will die. Lots. (Actually, this is the same thing I said to a friend on the afternoon of 11.9.2001. I hate being right.)

That's undoubtedly true, which is why it's such a difficult problem. I think the next generation of Iranians gives some hope, unfortunately there's not that much time. And I don't think a few air strikes can stop that program, at best it will only delay things a bit.

 

[fishbob]

At that time, the agency said only that the papers showed how to cast "enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms."

Just thought of this. Do the papers also discuss casting uranium into fuel rod shapes? Are the same techniques used for fuel rods and hemi chunks? I vote to reserve judgement until more details are provided.

 

[dann]

Do we need anything else to justify a war? They burn down Danish embassies, they are obviously Moslems, and some day they may even acquire the potential to build WMDs!
It's all so obvious, isn't it?!!! Does Bush need anything else to convince you?
By the way, does anybody know how many - not potential, but actual - A-bombs the Americans have? Let's go get them - or they may turn into a menace to the rest of the world ...

 

[Skeptic]

Just wait a few posts, they'll come out of the woodwork. Or maybe we'll just get the "well the US, Israel and Pakistan have the bomb, so Iran can get one too if they want" crowd.

Hmmm, you were 100% correct.

Then again, it's no fair predicting the obvious.

And the hypocracy is startling: if the world's longest-serving democracy and the only country on the planet officially sentenced to destruction can have the bomb, why not an genocidally antisemitic holocaust-denying guy?

Next thing you'll say that psychopatic rapists shouldn't have the right to own guns. Isn't that unfair--just look how many guns the police's got!

 

[kalen]

Do we need anything else to justify a war? They burn down Danish embassies, they are obviously Moslems, and some day they may even acquire the potential to build WMDs!

Go for it. A full scale Danish invasion of Iran. That's a hoot.

It's all so obvious, isn't it?!!! Does Bush need anything else to convince you? By the way, does anybody know how many - not potential, but actual - A-bombs the Americans have? Let's go get them - or they may turn into a menace to the rest of the world ...

The Americans or the Iranians? The Americans already are, the Iranians are just wanna-bees.

 

[dann]

Go for it. A full scale Danish invasion of Iran. That's a hoot.

Yes, it is, isn't it?! A full-scale coalition invasion of Iran, however, is an etirely different matter! Right now the leaders of state and its willing subjects are working on the creation of the image of the ENEMY, the ideological justification of all wars:

... an genocidally antisemitic holocaust-denying guy?
Next thing you'll say that psychopatic rapists shouldn't have the right to own guns. Isn't that unfair--just look how many guns the police's got!

 

[dann]

A full scale Danish invasion of Iran. That's a hoot.

Denmark as a player in international politics on its own is a hoot! http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51894
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[richardm]

I think the next generation of Iranians gives some hope, unfortunately there's not that much time. And I don't think a few air strikes can stop that program, at best it will only delay things a bit.

I think you're right. And the problem with simply delaying things by bombing is that the resulting shock and outrage is likely to make the extremists even more popular in Iran, I fear. I have no idea what the practical solution is to all this.

 

[zenith-nadir]

I have no idea what the practical solution is to all this.

Nobody does.

TEHRAN (AFP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeated his view that the Holocaust of Jews under Nazi Germany was a "myth" and argued that Palestinians and Iraqis were suffering from "the real Holocaust".

Ahmadinejad went on to hail the victory in last month's Palestinian legislative elections of the Islamic militant group Hamas.

"The Zionists are on on the verge of being destroyed; the time of occupation is coming to an end, so put an end to your slavery of Zionism," he said of the West.

AFP - Sat Feb 11, 5:32 AM ET

So let's put some puzzle pieces together...a) Irans government is not accountable to Iranians, b) Iran's government is a theocracy, c) Iran's government supports known terrorist groups, d) Iran's government rejects the entire world and begins uranium enrichment, e) Iran's leader calls the holocaust a myth and states repeatedly that Israel's destruction is close at hand.

It's doesn't take a "rocket surgeon" to see where this is headed. Usually humans follow the path of least resistance so I suspect appeasement is where this will lead...that is until it is too late - see: "the annexation of the Czech-Sudenland" as a lesson in appeasement.

 

[Beerina]

Just thought of this. Do the papers also discuss casting uranium into fuel rod shapes? Are the same techniques used for fuel rods and hemi chunks? I vote to reserve judgement until more details are provided.

Lemme ask you this with a straight face. Suppose the papers do also show how to form rods as well as hemispheres. Are you suggesting we should give Iran the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Beerina]

Do we need anything else to justify a war? They burn down Danish embassies, they are obviously Moslems, and some day they may even acquire the potential to build WMDs!
It's all so obvious, isn't it?!!! Does Bush need anything else to convince you?
By the way, does anybody know how many - not potential, but actual - A-bombs the Americans have? Let's go get them - or they may turn into a menace to the rest of the world ...

Enjoy your freedom to speak disparagingly about daddy? Good, we're glad. Now go to Iran and try to speak badly about Iran.

Or hell, stand on a corner in Denmark and try it.