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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

rdaneel said:
I'm going to hold on to the faith that the United States is stronger than that. Trump is going to do a lot of damage for sure, but I'm going to maintain hope that democracy will survive and Trump will be gone in four years.
If we're lucky, the consequences will convince enough people that they made a mistake and the political pendulum will swing back.
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For democracy to survive, it must have existed in the first place. I can see the next federal elections having all their winners pre-selected.
 
carlosy said:
EU is nothing in terms of military. Only a few countries have nukes and they surely won't use them for let's say Poland.
NATO is done without the USA.
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NATO is done, and MAD isn't a military doctrine. The armed forces of the EU states comined are far more formidable than everybody thinks, and can be relatively easily made into the equivalent of the US armed forces. We have the technology, the industry, the manpower and the military traditions. It's only a matter ofcasting aside the post WW2 reluctance to use them (largely induced by the US).
 
rdaneel said:
Trump would need an amendment ratified by 3/4ths of both houses of Congress and 3/4ths of the states, which has a snowballs chance in hell of passing.
Otherwise, he'd need a military coup, which I'd rate at even less of chance.

Trump has even less holding him back than last time, which means he'll take even bigger swings, like Project 2025. I'm speculating that when many of those who voted for him realize he's actually going to do it and that it's going to hurt them, they're going to turn against him.
And yes, I do realize this may be wishful thinking.
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It won't ever be Trump's fault. It will be *Select name of group here* their fault.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
NATO is done, and MAD isn't a military doctrine. The armed forces of the EU states comined are far more formidable than everybody thinks, and can be relatively easily made into the equivalent of the US armed forces. We have the technology, the industry, the manpower and the military traditions. It's
only a matter ofcasting aside the post WW2 reluctance to use them (largely induced by the US).
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Only?
Yeah, in theory EU has the potential. But the EU also has its Orbans, and lots of right wing extreme parties. Trump will be a massive boost for those. Good luck to us using the already overstressed budgets for creating and maintaining a capable military while fighting against the right wing demagoges.
 
Trump didn't manage to leave NATO in his first term, he won't be able to do it now that he is a lame-duck President.

Let's keep in mind that Trump has a whole lot of Policy wishes, about tariffs, higher worker compensation, healthcare etc. etc. that he will never get to put into practice because the people writing the Laws won't write those for him.
It is naïve to think that we will be seeing Trump policies in the next 2 years: it will be Thiel policies.
 
Will Elon get his 2 trillion budget cuts and scrap all the federal agencies he wants to get rid of?
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
NATO is done...
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I'm more optimistic than that.

Trump used brinksmanship threats to try to bully other NATO members into contributing more, but I don't think he wants rid of NATO. He just wants to show off how he strongarmed a better deal and to be flattered with a bit more subservience and gratitude from those little guys. Since then Putin has done the job for him in scaring the rest of NATO into a spending splurge.

It's not for NATO that the US spends so much more then everyone else on defence, it's for staying on top of the superpower game. NATO just keeps Russia in its box. I don't think Trump wants to destroy that.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Will Elon get his 2 trillion budget cuts and scrap all the federal agencies he wants to get rid of?
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No.

Oddly enough, most billionaires don't actually want the US to crash and burn, not until they sucked out every dollar they can out of it and finished their Doomsday Bunkers.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
The only constructive reaction to T****y "winning" in Europe is to create our own defensive alliance and abandon NATO. It is now not worth the paper it's written on.

Let the EU take on the weight of its true power at last.
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After nearly 4800 posts, you finally made one that is actually worth reading. This is an excellent idea. Americans are tired of carrying Europe's deadweight, fend for yourselves.
 
shemp said:
I just need somebody to tell me everything's going to be OK. It will, right? RIGHT!!??
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There is no cause for worry. Amerika will get what Amerika deserves based upon its plebiscite.

Come to Amerika, everyone, where even a convicted felon can be elected President.
 
I wonder what will happen to all those election warriors who were ready to defend trump if he lost? Must be a hell of a letdown for them.
 
carlosy said:
Right now, yes. But Russia is in full military mode, the things they are to produce will be ready in a few years and it doesn't give a **** about GDP. Comparing GDP only works if the leader isn't willing to slaughter his own people in meat waves over and over. Barely any country in the EU would be willing to go to such length.
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The only thing Ruzzia will be doing in a few years industrially is making sticks. They're incapable right now of even remotely matching their needs in production, and that's with the western provided infrastructure still largely intact and stores still available from the cold war. Ruzzia is severely degarding its industrial power with every day they stay in Ukraine and have few ways to restore it.
 
Mike! said:
I wouldn't count them out yet, I'm sure they can still find somebody to pick a fight with when given the proper motivation.
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Yup, and maybe go down and help trump round up immigrants or self-appoint themselves as border czars.


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