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Kamala Harris Election Campaign

Stacyhs said:
The key word here is "crimes". Or do you think during her time as AG of CA, state attorneys should not have prosecuted what were crimes at the time? If so, that explains why the "party of law and order" are largely voting for a 34X convicted felon.

Additionally, "she" didn't prosecute marijuana case: state attorneys did:


Tulsi Gabbard repeated a claim she'd read in the Free Beacon, a conservative newspaper:



However, this is misleading:


All quotes from Politifact.

Do you think people should go to jail for simply smoking or having weed? If not, then you should be in agreement with the Biden Harris Administration's pardoning of federal and DC simple weed possession convictions.
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It all sounds rather doobie-ous.
 
Tero said:
Your vote is your secret ad
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I really don't like that ad at all.

I 100% support that everyone has the right to vote for whoever they want, and it's nobody else's business.

But I don't like framing it as a "secret" that you have to keep from your spouse. I really don't like the underlying premise that pits spouses against each other, nor the overarching assumption that this is about male versus female. I don't like the portrayal of males as overbearing dominating ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trying to control what their partners get to do. And I completely detest the sexism inherent in the message of "females should all vote for Harris because they're a female, and only males are ever going to vote for Trump"

The entire underlying message disgusts me. In my family, we grew up being taught the importance of voting, and that who you voted for was personal and that you never had to tell anyone your choices. My parents never asked each other who they voted for, nor did they ever ask me or my siblings - all we ever got was "Did you vote?". My spouse and I will talk through the ramifications of various policies, propositions, referendums, etc. on the ballot... but when it comes down to it, we each fill out our ballots on our own and we have never asked what the other voted for or against.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I really don't like that ad at all.

I 100% support that everyone has the right to vote for whoever they want, and it's nobody else's business.

But I don't like framing it as a "secret" that you have to keep from your spouse. I really don't like the underlying premise that pits spouses against each other, nor the overarching assumption that this is about male versus female. I don't like the portrayal of males as overbearing dominating ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trying to control what their partners get to do. And I completely detest the sexism inherent in the message of "females should all vote for Harris because they're a female, and only males are ever going to vote for Trump"

The entire underlying message disgusts me. In my family, we grew up being taught the importance of voting, and that who you voted for was personal and that you never had to tell anyone your choices. My parents never asked each other who they voted for, nor did they ever ask me or my siblings - all we ever got was "Did you vote?". My spouse and I will talk through the ramifications of various policies, propositions, referendums, etc. on the ballot... but when it comes down to it, we each fill out our ballots on our own and we have never asked what the other voted for or against.
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So you do keep your vote secret from your spouse. You're complaining someone suggested other people do what you do yourself?
 
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I saw on the news last week a woman in her 80's who was voting for the first time in her life. When she was asked why she had never voted before, she said it was because her husband didn't think she should vote.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I really don't like that ad at all.

I 100% support that everyone has the right to vote for whoever they want, and it's nobody else's business.

But I don't like framing it as a "secret" that you have to keep from your spouse. I really don't like the underlying premise that pits spouses against each other, nor the overarching assumption that this is about male versus female. I don't like the portrayal of males as overbearing dominating ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trying to control what their partners get to do. And I completely detest the sexism inherent in the message of "females should all vote for Harris because they're a female, and only males are ever going to vote for Trump"

The entire underlying message disgusts me. In my family, we grew up being taught the importance of voting, and that who you voted for was personal and that you never had to tell anyone your choices. My parents never asked each other who they voted for, nor did they ever ask me or my siblings - all we ever got was "Did you vote?". My spouse and I will talk through the ramifications of various policies, propositions, referendums, etc. on the ballot... but when it comes down to it, we each fill out our ballots on our own and we have never asked what the other voted for or against.
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Not everyone else is in your situation and there are plenty of women who feel they should vote the way their husbands do. Your anecdotal story is great, it's probably the way most families are, but that doesn't mean there isn't a decent amount of people that have it different.

My family talk about who we're voting for and the yes's and no's of amendments because we want to clear up any confusion the other person might have but then again we're all democrats. We already know how each of us will vote for most* statewide elections and amendments.

I do love the "disgusts" me comment though. It's so repulsive that you're disgusted lol.
 
There are plenty of men that will beat or demean their wives if they find out that the wife didn't vote the way they want them to. I would venture to guess that most of those men are MAGA. Vote and keep it a secret who you vote for, that's your right and it isn't disgusting to exercise your rights.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I really don't like that ad at all.

I 100% support that everyone has the right to vote for whoever they want, and it's nobody else's business.

But I don't like framing it as a "secret" that you have to keep from your spouse. I really don't like the underlying premise that pits spouses against each other, nor the overarching assumption that this is about male versus female. I don't like the portrayal of males as overbearing dominating ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trying to control what their partners get to do. And I completely detest the sexism inherent in the message of "females should all vote for Harris because they're a female, and only males are ever going to vote for Trump"

The entire underlying message disgusts me. In my family, we grew up being taught the importance of voting, and that who you voted for was personal and that you never had to tell anyone your choices. My parents never asked each other who they voted for, nor did they ever ask me or my siblings - all we ever got was "Did you vote?". My spouse and I will talk through the ramifications of various policies, propositions, referendums, etc. on the ballot... but when it comes down to it, we each fill out our ballots on our own and we have never asked what the other voted for or against.
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It's a sad fact of life that some men are very controlling of their wives and believe they do, in fact, have the right as "head of the household" to tell them how to vote. Some women go along with it out of fear, some to keep harmony in their home, and some out of believing themselves that husbands have that right. As I said in my previous comment to Tero, some women do whatever their husbands say, including how they vote or not.
 
Stacyhs said:
It's a sad fact of life that some men are very controlling of their wives and believe they do, in fact, have the right as "head of the household" to tell them how to vote. Some women go along with it out of fear, some to keep harmony in their home, and some out of believing themselves that husbands have that right. As I said in my previous comment to Tero, some women do whatever their husbands say, including how they vote or not.
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I am sure that is how a typical MAGA household is, based on the fact that MAGA don't think women should have rights.
 
TragicMonkey said:
So you do keep your vote secret from your spouse. You're complaining someone suggested other people do what you do yourself?
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:rolleyes: Maybe this ends up being potato-potahto territory.

I don't keep it "secret", we simply never ask the other. If he were to ask, I would probably tell him. I know there have been various things on the ballots over the years where we've probably voted in different ways, because we don't always agree on things. I'm fairly sure he votes against most education initiatives because of the cost impact; I vote for them almost all the time. We have different views on those topics.

I don't view it as a "secret", no more than I view what the consistency of this morning's bowel movement as a "secret". It's simply something that we each view as private and we don't talk about it.

Obviously, though, that was totally the only complaint I had about the ad. It's not like a wrote a whole lot about pitting spouses against each other, and trying to frame the election as males against females, or painting males in general as bad. Nope. Totally just about secrets.
 
thaiboxerken said:
There are plenty of men that will beat or demean their wives if they find out that the wife didn't vote the way they want them to. I would venture to guess that most of those men are MAGA. Vote and keep it a secret who you vote for, that's your right and it isn't disgusting to exercise your rights.
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Domestic violence rates are higher among black, hispanic, and asian populations than among whites. If the prevailing "wisdom" holds that all of those ethnic groups are predominantly democrats, it might challenge your assumption.

But I see the ad plays right into your own biases, so there's that I suppose.
 
Emily's Cat said:
:rolleyes: Maybe this ends up being potato-potahto territory.

I don't keep it "secret", we simply never ask the other. If he were to ask, I would probably tell him. I know there have been various things on the ballots over the years where we've probably voted in different ways, because we don't always agree on things. I'm fairly sure he votes against most education initiatives because of the cost impact; I vote for them almost all the time. We have different views on those topics.

I don't view it as a "secret", no more than I view what the consistency of this morning's bowel movement as a "secret". It's simply something that we each view as private and we don't talk about it.

Obviously, though, that was totally the only complaint I had about the ad. It's not like a wrote a whole lot about pitting spouses against each other, and trying to frame the election as males against females, or painting males in general as bad. Nope. Totally just about secrets.
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Yes, don't keep secrets from your spouse. That is wrong and disgusting. Instead, just don't talk to them about your life and take no interest in theirs. This is how healthy, normal relationships work.
 
Stacyhs said:
It's a sad fact of life that some men are very controlling of their wives and believe they do, in fact, have the right as "head of the household" to tell them how to vote. Some women go along with it out of fear, some to keep harmony in their home, and some out of believing themselves that husbands have that right. As I said in my previous comment to Tero, some women do whatever their husbands say, including how they vote or not.
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I agree that it happens, and that it's more likely in general to be males exerting coercive control than females.

What I don't like is the framing of this as the basis of a political ad. Domestic violence and coercive control isn't a political issue, it's a social issue. I think it's a bad idea to weaponize it as a political issue, and to sow mistrust and discord among couples. I also think it's horribly bad taste to base the message on the double whammy of 1) males are bad and 2) males support Trump. It's an insidiously divisive narrative.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Domestic violence rates are higher among black, hispanic, and asian populations than among whites. If the prevailing "wisdom" holds that all of those ethnic groups are predominantly democrats, it might challenge your assumption.

But I see the ad plays right into your own biases, so there's that I suppose.
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White men don't beat their wives as much as men of other races when no one said anything about race is a weird and very revealing response.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I agree that it happens, and that it's more likely in general to be males exerting coercive control than females.

What I don't like is the framing of this as the basis of a political ad. Domestic violence and coercive control isn't a political issue, it's a social issue. I think it's a bad idea to weaponize it as a political issue, and to sow mistrust and discord among couples. I also think it's horribly bad taste to base the message on the double whammy of 1) males are bad and 2) males support Trump. It's an insidiously divisive narrative.
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Four posts and counting complaining about this "insidiously divisive" ad. How many posts complaining about any of Trump's divisive rhetoric which is truly insidious? Without even checking, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess somewhere around zero.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Domestic violence rates are higher among black, hispanic, and asian populations than among whites. If the prevailing "wisdom" holds that all of those ethnic groups are predominantly democrats, it might challenge your assumption.

But I see the ad plays right into your own biases, so there's that I suppose.
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Siri, can you find me an example of the ecological fallacy?
 
jimbob said:
Siri, can you find me an example of the ecological fallacy?
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Nah, it was pointing out the ecological fallacy. Ken has made a baseless assumption that Trump supporters are more likely to control their spouses than Harris supporters. That assumption is driven by Ken's pre-existing belief that all Trump supporters (and by extension anyone who merely isn't a Harris supporter) is a bad person all around, a bigot and a racist and a sexist and any other bad term that they imagine can be applied to "the other guys". There's no evidence, no rationale involved.

I am not assuming that there's any material difference in the rates of domestic violence of coercive control by party.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Nah, it was pointing out the ecological fallacy. Ken has made a baseless assumption that Trump supporters are more likely to control their spouses than Harris supporters. That assumption is driven by Ken's pre-existing belief that all Trump supporters (and by extension anyone who merely isn't a Harris supporter) is a bad person all around, a bigot and a racist and a sexist and any other bad term that they imagine can be applied to "the other guys". There's no evidence, no rationale involved.

I am not assuming that there's any material difference in the rates of domestic violence of coercive control by party.
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What do you call someone who supports a bigot, sexist, and racist? And what is the argument that they aren't bad people for supporting that person?
 
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